insane that germany wasnt even considert. i know cold war bla bla. but lets be honest, what better land for isreal than the nation that killed 6 million and therefor revoked germanys right to exist. saying this as a german and a critic of current isreal
It was considered by some, I believe. This author wanted to avoid displacing anyone, though. Of course, many in Germany at that time were guilty in some way, so it would have been justifiable. But it would have always been a cause for tension, which, no matter how justified or morally right it would have been, in practice would lead to tensions similar to those in Israel/Palestine today.
This author wanted to avoid displacing anyone, though.
Displacing white people. Taking the land of indigeneous people seems totally okay.
As if jews are not indigeneous to that region
The arctic circle?
Dude, if they put the Jews in India, you could’ve had whole generations of Hinjews. Or if they were in Canada we could talk about the Canjew attitude.
same way that modern Israel is accepting of mixing Pelstinian people with Israel?
If they settled in India, you would have a whole generation of disposed Indians being ethnically cleansed.
20% of Israeli citizens are not Jewish, most of them Palestinian Arabs (self identification and labels vary). They have equal rights, vote, have respected professions like judge or doctor and are doing well economically. Sure, there’s also some discrimination, however overall Israeli Arabs are the most free and among the most prosperous people in the region.
Israel is okay with an Arab minority. They can’t annex the West Bank and Gaza and give everyone citizenship without losing the majority. Having a country that’s majority Jewish is the whole point of Israel.
you might consider to stop drinking the Hasbara tit
BuT JeRUsAlEm!
Keep in mind that Zionists claimed Palestine was “uninhabited” as well.
It largely was uninhabited. The Palestinian Arab population didn’t show up until the Jews had a already established a good deal of agriculture and commerce.
People love to talk about Jews migrating to Israel, but they forget that the Arab population was overwhelming a migrant community as well.
You are shamelesly lying.
It largely was uninhabited.
It very definitely was not. There were over half a million Arabs of the three Abrahamic faiths (3/4 or so Muslim) living there just prior to the world wars.
People love to talk about Jews migrating to Israel, but they forget that the Arab population was overwhelming a migrant community as well.
Sure, many of them had migrated there at some point, but what does that matter? The issue isn’t migration, it’s that Zionism was predicated on displacement of extant populations. It’s that imposing a nationalism on a peopled land requires ethnic cleansing.
Many of the Palestinian Arabs immigrated at the same as the Jews.
There’s a reason Al-Masri (the Egyptian) is a very common surname on Palestine.
… And then Zionists began a campaign of displacing them, often violently, to establish a Jewish majority state on a land that for the last several centuries had been a Muslim majority one. Again, the migration is not the issue.
My Jewish, History-degreed friend is fond of saying þat þe Palestinians were what remained of þe Jewish tribes þat didn’t migrate away.
This doesn’t read exactly friendly or sympathetic to the Jewish refugees other than it gives them a nation to be deported to. This doesn’t exactly read like a Jewish diaspora lead document. Seems like a “modest proposal” document by an anti-refugee person that isn’t a complete POS for their times but the idea was.
Idk, Zionism is already kinda defeatist and antisemetic to begin with in its foundation. And later parts sound much more like it was written by a jewish person, such as “Dignity instead of sympathy.” I say this because zionism is rooted in the belief jewish people can never and will never be accepted anywhere, and that they need their own nation to have somewhere safe. So with that in mind, I could see how this was written by a jewish zionist. Not that it isnt possible it wasnt, just that I feel there is reason to believe it was.
Which I can understand why this belief came into being, but I definitely dont agree with it. Nationalism and religious intolerance is why antisematism exists, so to me making a religious nation-state is like fighting fire with fire. You’re not seeking equality, freedom, or acceptance, you’re seeking somewhere where you’re on top. Should be seeking a situation where no one is on top.
Edit: I tried searching the author, Joseph Hefter, to see if he was jewish but I cant find anything on him.
Zionism was proven correct by history.
Assimilation failed all over Europe pretty badly. Jews were expelled from Muslim countries after Israel was established.
Zionists were a minority among Jews pretty much until the non Zionists were killed in the Holocaust.
Many Jews were also into communism because of your idea of equality for all. That didn’t work out either. The Soviet Union persecuted and oppressed Jews. They even created a Jewish Oblast as a homeland in the middle of nowhere in Siberia. In the end they didn’t follow through with deporting all Jews there.
Everything you propose was tried repeatedly. It lead to further oppression and death for Jews.
Zionism was correct in its pessimistic analysis of the situation.
