I made a post on hierarchy a month ago but I have some more specific questions now.

I’ve been hit with the claim that mass production industries that are needed today would not be possible without a hierarchy. That due to regional limitations and the logistics of smartphone manufacturing, technology cannot be produced on the needed scale without a hierarchy of managers.

This is quoted in PCB fabrication, as well as other areas such as medicine and other mass produced goods.

It is also said that managers are needed for efficiency, though I don’t understand that.

Because the anarchist movement, abolishing hierarchy, “runs counter” to the “global direction of humanity and progress”, it is acclaimed to being “doomed to failure” and “idealist”.

What would be the anarchist response to this? Would appreciate detailed responses and/or resources.

I want to improve my anarchist understanding

  • Vegafjord oakframer@lemmy.ml
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    5 days ago

    If we want to keep over-production, then we need hierarchy, but we don’t actually need over-production.

    Definition of letten

    When the surroundings let something happen.

    When summer arrives there will be swimming letten.

    The letten is bad for fishing here, let’s move on.

    The myth of [demand] sais that the reason there is over production is because the consumers demand it. However, most of this demand is artificial. We don’t need to travel with plains, we don’t need high resolution television, we don’t need video games, we don’t need cars, we don’t need meat every day. This artificial demand comes from the normalization of these through advertisements and lettening.

    By moving towards horizontality through democratic confederalism for instance, our needs are drastically reduced because we operate from the idea; Each according to their ability, each according to their need.

    Managers are not needed because we can replace them with elected and withdrawable coordinators.

    “Anarchism runs counter to the global direction of humainty and progress.”

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      Isn’t that suggesting abolishing the internet and technology? Like primitivism, going back to pre-technological times.

      People have jobs far away they need cars for transport to access and entertainment is considered a need, though it doesn’t need to be in 4k lol.

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        The reason we “need” cars for jobs is because we made society with cars in mind. We might as well transform society into having people in mind. Also, jobs is a consequence of capitalism, so we can transform that into people having responsibilities.

        People was able to entertain themselves before mass media, it was just different. A characteristics was that they relied on their imagination to a much larger degree.