This isn’t a "sides’ conversation. You argued people cannot change and we should nuke babies in their beds. I support nobody gets nuked or bombed.
Obviously there may be no peaceful resolution, but I don’t cheer for dead civilians regardless of the side.
As you said
Lots of these civilians are better off as radioactive dust
Don’t see how that’s much better than the Israeli view of Palestine.
In an ideal world I’d like to see an end to the conflict and everyone in Israel that committed war crimes and their leadership brought before international court and punished for their crimes.
You know let’s hold those responsible responsible and not nuke or bomb anymore innocents.
And I know that may not be an option, but you’ll never get me to cheer for indiscriminate bombs or nukes.
Lots of these civilians are better off as radioactive dust
No one is seriously advocating for a genocide on the Israelis
One of these is not like the other
Like don’t get me wrong if someone today nuked portions of Israel to end the genocide that would be justified. I would understand that war is terrible and sometimes these things must happen for the greater good, but I still wouldn’t be jumping up and down with glee as millions of human lives are snuffed out. That’s just fucked up.
How many Israeli babies do I need to meet to celebrate their deaths? You tell me
Or do you believe that nukes skip the innocent and only kill those worthy of death? If we’ve developed that technology let me know
Perhaps it’s better to talk about how you allow social media to convince you that a significant portion of people should be nuclear dust.
You are retreating from that view which I appreciate.
I think Orwell summed up how I feel best. Seems like populations globally are being taught to hate their fellow man and celebrate war. We are being taught that these conflicts cannot be resolved peacefully and are just the way of the world. Some people just want to kill each other. We have always been at war with Eastasia.
I’m a staunch anti war person, I literally protest and march multiple times a month and am involved in a few active local anti war orgs.
I definitely do not want nukes, or more war. Actually position I believe in is BDS.
But I do not want to distract from the conversation that Israelis have normalized a genocide. The average Israeli is on board and is extremely racist. In Israel the statement “Arabs are people” will get you in trouble. While if you said “Death to arabs” you’ll make friends immediately. And I’m talking from experience, I lived there, and have family there.
Perhaps this is where we can find some common ground. Your initial statements were a bit more murdery. I have no doubt about what you’re saying about the Israeli people today. I believe that it will take a program akin to Germany’s denazification (improving based on what we saw in Germany) to get things straight.
I believe people are taught to hate and can learn to not hate. It’s not easy nor is it ever 100%, but it’s possible. Humans are the most capable species on the planet when it comes to learning and adapting.
Unfortunately, I’ll admit, most of my life I’ve seen a drive towards hate but I believe this is politically intentional on the part of the ruiling class.
I’ll admit, that was more of a vent, I have to deal with Israelis semi regularly, and there’s a limit on how much I can her people celebrate murdering children or casual talk about their war crimes.
Once Apartheid collapses and theres proper justice, then zionists will get to live in a free Palestine, where they still have healthcare and free education. the only punishment the average Israeli will have to deal with is that maybe their children will hate them.
Except for generals and the government, they deserve life in prison. shove them in Sde Teiman and treat them how they treat Palestinian hostages.
but are we have a conversation on how deranged the average Israeli is, or one of military strategy?
Considering your comment regarding how many Israeli civilians were better as nuclear dust was in response to:
Even in a situation where a nuclear weapon is the least-bad option, or when collateral damage is unavoidable, the murder of civilians is never ‘fair’. And I struggle to think of what nuking Tel Aviv would actually solve.
No one is seriously advocating for a genocide on the Israelis, I’m just venting how frustrating it is to interact with them.
You’re kidding, right?
How many citations of serious advocacy for genocide against Israelis will it take for you to concede the point? Honest question. Give me a number, and I’ll provide.
I will not worry about a theoretical made up fictional genocide instead of a real one being done right now.
So you retract your previous bullshit point of “No one is seriously advocating for a genocide on the Israelis”, good, glad to hear it.
Your fucking comrade-in-arms in the comment section is justifying the murder of literal Israeli children, but hey, until the genocide starts happening, there’s no harm in normalizing it, right? Bad Ethnicity deserves it, anyway.
Fucking insanity.
Imagine if instead of fighting the Nazis and the Holocaust the allies were like “But if we kill nazis, then we will be the bad ones”
You do realize that there was a very serious suggestion of genocide of Germany tossed around even by the Western Allies, and mass ethnic cleansing occurred in the Soviet-controlled regions, right?
Absolutely no one is suggesting that. and focusing on that issue is a bullshit waste of time and resources, as there’s an actual genocide going on.
Imagine you walk down the street and see a rape happening, but instead of calling the police you’re worried that the police might hurt the rapist, and you can’t accept that because you do not want to promote violence. so you ignore it and let the rape continue.
Oh, okay, so you’re back to denying it. I love the part where you take two contradictory positions at once to avoid having to actually think about your pro-genocidal position.
Imagine you walk down the street and see a rape happening, but instead of calling the police you’re worried that the police might hurt the rapist, and you can’t accept that because you do not want to promote violence. so you ignore it and let the rape continue.
Sorry, and advocating for genocide is the equivalent of calling the police?
This isn’t a "sides’ conversation. You argued people cannot change and we should nuke babies in their beds. I support nobody gets nuked or bombed.
Obviously there may be no peaceful resolution, but I don’t cheer for dead civilians regardless of the side.
As you said
Don’t see how that’s much better than the Israeli view of Palestine.
In an ideal world I’d like to see an end to the conflict and everyone in Israel that committed war crimes and their leadership brought before international court and punished for their crimes.
You know let’s hold those responsible responsible and not nuke or bomb anymore innocents.
And I know that may not be an option, but you’ll never get me to cheer for indiscriminate bombs or nukes.
you haven’t met Israelis and it shows.
No one is seriously advocating for a genocide on the Israelis, I’m just venting how frustrating it is to interact with them.
And I’m taking with experience, I lived in Israel for a few years after I did Alyah.
One of these is not like the other
Like don’t get me wrong if someone today nuked portions of Israel to end the genocide that would be justified. I would understand that war is terrible and sometimes these things must happen for the greater good, but I still wouldn’t be jumping up and down with glee as millions of human lives are snuffed out. That’s just fucked up.
How many Israeli babies do I need to meet to celebrate their deaths? You tell me
Or do you believe that nukes skip the innocent and only kill those worthy of death? If we’ve developed that technology let me know
Let’s be clear, I was venting frustration. I don’t think nukes are good. Or mass acts of violence towards civilians.
but are we have a conversation on how deranged the average Israeli is, or one of military strategy?
Perhaps it’s better to talk about how you allow social media to convince you that a significant portion of people should be nuclear dust.
You are retreating from that view which I appreciate.
I think Orwell summed up how I feel best. Seems like populations globally are being taught to hate their fellow man and celebrate war. We are being taught that these conflicts cannot be resolved peacefully and are just the way of the world. Some people just want to kill each other. We have always been at war with Eastasia.
I’m a staunch anti war person, I literally protest and march multiple times a month and am involved in a few active local anti war orgs.
I definitely do not want nukes, or more war. Actually position I believe in is BDS.
But I do not want to distract from the conversation that Israelis have normalized a genocide. The average Israeli is on board and is extremely racist. In Israel the statement “Arabs are people” will get you in trouble. While if you said “Death to arabs” you’ll make friends immediately. And I’m talking from experience, I lived there, and have family there.
Perhaps this is where we can find some common ground. Your initial statements were a bit more murdery. I have no doubt about what you’re saying about the Israeli people today. I believe that it will take a program akin to Germany’s denazification (improving based on what we saw in Germany) to get things straight.
I believe people are taught to hate and can learn to not hate. It’s not easy nor is it ever 100%, but it’s possible. Humans are the most capable species on the planet when it comes to learning and adapting.
Unfortunately, I’ll admit, most of my life I’ve seen a drive towards hate but I believe this is politically intentional on the part of the ruiling class.
I’ll admit, that was more of a vent, I have to deal with Israelis semi regularly, and there’s a limit on how much I can her people celebrate murdering children or casual talk about their war crimes.
Once Apartheid collapses and theres proper justice, then zionists will get to live in a free Palestine, where they still have healthcare and free education. the only punishment the average Israeli will have to deal with is that maybe their children will hate them.
Except for generals and the government, they deserve life in prison. shove them in Sde Teiman and treat them how they treat Palestinian hostages.
Considering your comment regarding how many Israeli civilians were better as nuclear dust was in response to:
The latter.
You’re kidding, right?
How many citations of serious advocacy for genocide against Israelis will it take for you to concede the point? Honest question. Give me a number, and I’ll provide.
I will not worry about a theoretical made up fictional genocide instead of a real one being done right now.
Imagine if instead of fighting the Nazis and the Holocaust the allies were like “But if we kill nazis, then we will be the bad ones”
So you retract your previous bullshit point of “No one is seriously advocating for a genocide on the Israelis”, good, glad to hear it.
Your fucking comrade-in-arms in the comment section is justifying the murder of literal Israeli children, but hey, until the genocide starts happening, there’s no harm in normalizing it, right? Bad Ethnicity deserves it, anyway.
Fucking insanity.
You do realize that there was a very serious suggestion of genocide of Germany tossed around even by the Western Allies, and mass ethnic cleansing occurred in the Soviet-controlled regions, right?
Saying that we should worry about the real genocide and not a fictional one isn’t the same as advocating for the fictional one!!
Seriously, tf do you suggest? let Israelis continue their genocide?
How about “Opposing the Israeli genocide does not necessitate tolerating the notion of genociding Israelis”?
Absolutely no one is suggesting that. and focusing on that issue is a bullshit waste of time and resources, as there’s an actual genocide going on.
Imagine you walk down the street and see a rape happening, but instead of calling the police you’re worried that the police might hurt the rapist, and you can’t accept that because you do not want to promote violence. so you ignore it and let the rape continue.
Oh, okay, so you’re back to denying it. I love the part where you take two contradictory positions at once to avoid having to actually think about your pro-genocidal position.
Sorry, and advocating for genocide is the equivalent of calling the police?
What the FUCK is wrong with you?