Rust is stable but difficult to work in. The political propaganda not merely tolerated but actively pushed forward by its flagship instance, and things like the Lemmy instance picker “randomly” choosing either Lemmy.ml or hexbear.net literally (if roughly) 90% of the time, and the political rules never anywhere being stated explicitly on lemmy.ml, etc. have led people to greatly reduce or altogether stop funding for Lemmy.
At the same time the Lemmy devs are attacking PieFed, e.g. by running AI to identify vulnerabilities and then rather than offer even so much as 24 hrs notice go ahead and publicly disclose them (yes they “can” do so, but is it “friendly” to have chosen that route?). Also people report from looking at the Lemmy codebase that even though it is written in Rust it is still buggy, e.g. so much so that the underlying database must be constantly rebooting due to memory leakages. Tbf similar arguments if less substantiated claims have been made against PieFed as well. It is for this reason that in 2026 slrpnk.net will switch to PieFed, as quokk.au already did, even while others moved forward more hesitantly, opening up a PieFed alternative even while retaining their older Lemmy instance.
The fact that in Lemmy moderator reports have not federated all this time since the Rexodus (although FINALLY will in the upcoming v1.0 release), shows that the concerns of the more “global” audience for Lemmy are of far lesser consideration - and this is presuming the maximum good-faith assumptions of their programming capabilities.
I have lost virtually all faith that the Fediverse will ever grow much beyond its current state, but what faith I still have leftover I place solidly into the hands of PieFed as the best hope to move forward. We will see, I suppose.
Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed, and nodeBB all are part of the Threadiverse, multiple of which also interact with the wider Fediverse as well. flarum said that it wants to join as well, and work on Sublinks has reportedly resumed. It would be nice to see any and all of these become more mature platforms. Every one is incomplete to varying degrees, yet moving forward at whatever rate and yes that is good to see. I root for none of them to fail, yet if that is inevitable then I hope for at least one to succeed, at which point literally all benefit due to the ability to share content:-).
I appreciate what Nutomic said yes, it has appropriate nuance and complexity to match the situation - i.e. reporting bugs is both a good thing yet disclosure should have been made in a responsible manner so content of the message is good but the process was bad there.
Regarding adversity, I think many tankies love fighting and are quite aggressive (the phrase “spoiling for a fight” seems to often match), and Rimu is also quite aggressive in his own way though more in the “within the walls of my own house” kinda way. Rimu tried to help in the ongoing feud with Lemmy.world by providing context to the accusations that Luminous had called for the literal murder of MrKaplan (by showing a screenshot of Luminous’ profile calling for the murder of all Zionists juxtaposed with a moderation event from Luminous that specifically labeled MrKaplan as a “zionist”, at which point the truth of the latter no longer matters since the two of them combined equates to a call for MrKaplan’s murder, from the admin of an instance no less! Although who voluntarily stepped down, at which point the defederation of anarchist.nexus was immediately un-done.), and ever since then the tankie crowd has been more up in arms against any instance that uses the PieFed software.
Which I find odd - software isn’t the same as people, and software can be tuned to whatever purposes the admin in charge wants to set it too? I see a ton of campism going around lately, which obviously the tankies accuse Rimu of in reverse, since for some people maybe every accusation is a confession?
Witch hunting, as you said earlier. Irrationality, possibly fueled by emotional considerations. Tensions are high in the world right now, and what do Lemmings even talk about if not politics? :-P I would indeed hope that we could focus on making the software better, both Lemmy and PieFed, but the shit stirrers have other plans for their own emotional satisfaction. I used to defend the Lemmy devs, e.g. whenever I saw people asking for features I would point out the various reasons that Lemmy development was slow and that we need to all wait patiently. Now I defend PieFed development in like manner. FOSS is worthwhile, our common goal, and likewise we share a common platform too. Or at least we have so far, until the shit-stirrers defederate from all PieFed instances (which makes little sense to me - for one, quokk.au is both part of the Anarchist Flotilla as well as a PieFed instance, though maybe an exception will be made for it? and two, how do you defederate from “software”?) along with Lemmy.World for “zionist behaviors”.
Very few people want to take the time to properly research things, and yes the popcorn crowd follows irrational behaviors, which (unfortunately?) makes decisions that result from that process incorrect. As in, even if the end goal had itself been correct, it having been arrived at via incorrect procedures makes it incorrect. So no, neither you nor I are part of that crowd, since our aim is truth.
The problem with the irrationality crowd is that it enjoys cloaking itself in truth as much as possible, right up until it does not anymore. e.g. even if both of us agreed with that crowd on every single matter (which we’ve both said that we do not, but hypothetically speaking), we still would not be “with” them since inevitably the search for truth will go one way while the campism+schadenfreude crowd will choose to go where we dare not follow. Or at least I have resolved in my mind that much, and I would suppose you as well but ofc cannot speak for anyone else (perhaps even my far-off future self? though I can certainly make educated guesses:-P).
One corollary to all of this might end up being that the Fediverse experiment has failed. I highly (99.99%) doubt that, but on the spectrum of total success being having reached a lofty goal of having at least as many if not more people on a federated platform as one of the mainstream platforms like X or even Reddit, vs. failure meaning that mere thousands of people remain here… I do think that the Anarchist Flotilla’s pact is working more to cause failure than success. AN defederating from LW does not concern me one bit, and quite frankly the same is mostly still true in reverse, but taking the entirety of /0 with it, as the #7 most populated instance on the entire Threadiverse, will cause a major schism. Perhaps the Threadiverse experiment has already failed - certainly what happened to Lemm.ee, lemmynsfw.com (even if fedinsfw.app has bounced back, now with sth like 2x the subscriber count as the flagship instance PieFed.social?!), etc. has not helped.
People already avoid coming here since there is so little content, but second to that they avoid coming here due to toxicity e.g. leftist in-fighting / purity testing, and because this place is “confusing” to them to figure out. People being kicked off lemm.ee since it ceased to exist out from under them, then fled over to /0, and now finding ~50% of all Threadiverse users and perhaps 90% of the most popular communities taken away from them… this is going to send people back to Reddit.
We talk here as if this is the place to go to get away from Reddit. But in reality people are turning to smaller Reddit subs and touching grass irl, and Reddit is increasing their subscribers as people flee here to go there, or at maintaining stable numbers as people don’t leave there to come here anymore.
So not total, utter failure as in 0% success, but perhaps single-digit success percentage as we have to now “manage expectations” moving forward with the reality as it is rather than it coming anywhere close to what we hoped we could achieve, together.
The Left always eats its own. And thus turns away centrists who thereby become neutral, which means that the Right wins by default… and thus the cycle continues turning. Same as it ever was. :-)
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I doubt it ever will, but yes.
Rust is stable but difficult to work in. The political propaganda not merely tolerated but actively pushed forward by its flagship instance, and things like the Lemmy instance picker “randomly” choosing either Lemmy.ml or hexbear.net literally (if roughly) 90% of the time, and the political rules never anywhere being stated explicitly on lemmy.ml, etc. have led people to greatly reduce or altogether stop funding for Lemmy.
At the same time the Lemmy devs are attacking PieFed, e.g. by running AI to identify vulnerabilities and then rather than offer even so much as 24 hrs notice go ahead and publicly disclose them (yes they “can” do so, but is it “friendly” to have chosen that route?). Also people report from looking at the Lemmy codebase that even though it is written in Rust it is still buggy, e.g. so much so that the underlying database must be constantly rebooting due to memory leakages. Tbf similar arguments if less substantiated claims have been made against PieFed as well. It is for this reason that in 2026 slrpnk.net will switch to PieFed, as quokk.au already did, even while others moved forward more hesitantly, opening up a PieFed alternative even while retaining their older Lemmy instance.
The fact that in Lemmy moderator reports have not federated all this time since the Rexodus (although FINALLY will in the upcoming v1.0 release), shows that the concerns of the more “global” audience for Lemmy are of far lesser consideration - and this is presuming the maximum good-faith assumptions of their programming capabilities.
I have lost virtually all faith that the Fediverse will ever grow much beyond its current state, but what faith I still have leftover I place solidly into the hands of PieFed as the best hope to move forward. We will see, I suppose.
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Lemmy, Mbin, PieFed, and nodeBB all are part of the Threadiverse, multiple of which also interact with the wider Fediverse as well. flarum said that it wants to join as well, and work on Sublinks has reportedly resumed. It would be nice to see any and all of these become more mature platforms. Every one is incomplete to varying degrees, yet moving forward at whatever rate and yes that is good to see. I root for none of them to fail, yet if that is inevitable then I hope for at least one to succeed, at which point literally all benefit due to the ability to share content:-).
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/68952255
- sorry, I misremembered who did the disclosure, it was actually [email protected].
And on a related note, Rimu is stepping backwards a bit from directly contributing so much to PieFed, as it is leading to burnt-out: https://join.piefed.social/2026/05/12/what-worked-at-100-users-broke-at-5000/.
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I appreciate what Nutomic said yes, it has appropriate nuance and complexity to match the situation - i.e. reporting bugs is both a good thing yet disclosure should have been made in a responsible manner so content of the message is good but the process was bad there.
Regarding adversity, I think many tankies love fighting and are quite aggressive (the phrase “spoiling for a fight” seems to often match), and Rimu is also quite aggressive in his own way though more in the “within the walls of my own house” kinda way. Rimu tried to help in the ongoing feud with Lemmy.world by providing context to the accusations that Luminous had called for the literal murder of MrKaplan (by showing a screenshot of Luminous’ profile calling for the murder of all Zionists juxtaposed with a moderation event from Luminous that specifically labeled MrKaplan as a “zionist”, at which point the truth of the latter no longer matters since the two of them combined equates to a call for MrKaplan’s murder, from the admin of an instance no less! Although who voluntarily stepped down, at which point the defederation of anarchist.nexus was immediately un-done.), and ever since then the tankie crowd has been more up in arms against any instance that uses the PieFed software.
Which I find odd - software isn’t the same as people, and software can be tuned to whatever purposes the admin in charge wants to set it too? I see a ton of campism going around lately, which obviously the tankies accuse Rimu of in reverse, since for some people maybe every accusation is a confession?
Witch hunting, as you said earlier. Irrationality, possibly fueled by emotional considerations. Tensions are high in the world right now, and what do Lemmings even talk about if not politics? :-P I would indeed hope that we could focus on making the software better, both Lemmy and PieFed, but the shit stirrers have other plans for their own emotional satisfaction. I used to defend the Lemmy devs, e.g. whenever I saw people asking for features I would point out the various reasons that Lemmy development was slow and that we need to all wait patiently. Now I defend PieFed development in like manner. FOSS is worthwhile, our common goal, and likewise we share a common platform too. Or at least we have so far, until the shit-stirrers defederate from all PieFed instances (which makes little sense to me - for one, quokk.au is both part of the Anarchist Flotilla as well as a PieFed instance, though maybe an exception will be made for it? and two, how do you defederate from “software”?) along with Lemmy.World for “zionist behaviors”.
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Very few people want to take the time to properly research things, and yes the popcorn crowd follows irrational behaviors, which (unfortunately?) makes decisions that result from that process incorrect. As in, even if the end goal had itself been correct, it having been arrived at via incorrect procedures makes it incorrect. So no, neither you nor I are part of that crowd, since our aim is truth.
The problem with the irrationality crowd is that it enjoys cloaking itself in truth as much as possible, right up until it does not anymore. e.g. even if both of us agreed with that crowd on every single matter (which we’ve both said that we do not, but hypothetically speaking), we still would not be “with” them since inevitably the search for truth will go one way while the campism+schadenfreude crowd will choose to go where we dare not follow. Or at least I have resolved in my mind that much, and I would suppose you as well but ofc cannot speak for anyone else (perhaps even my far-off future self? though I can certainly make educated guesses:-P).
One corollary to all of this might end up being that the Fediverse experiment has failed. I highly (99.99%) doubt that, but on the spectrum of total success being having reached a lofty goal of having at least as many if not more people on a federated platform as one of the mainstream platforms like X or even Reddit, vs. failure meaning that mere thousands of people remain here… I do think that the Anarchist Flotilla’s pact is working more to cause failure than success. AN defederating from LW does not concern me one bit, and quite frankly the same is mostly still true in reverse, but taking the entirety of /0 with it, as the #7 most populated instance on the entire Threadiverse, will cause a major schism. Perhaps the Threadiverse experiment has already failed - certainly what happened to Lemm.ee, lemmynsfw.com (even if fedinsfw.app has bounced back, now with sth like 2x the subscriber count as the flagship instance PieFed.social?!), etc. has not helped.
People already avoid coming here since there is so little content, but second to that they avoid coming here due to toxicity e.g. leftist in-fighting / purity testing, and because this place is “confusing” to them to figure out. People being kicked off lemm.ee since it ceased to exist out from under them, then fled over to /0, and now finding ~50% of all Threadiverse users and perhaps 90% of the most popular communities taken away from them… this is going to send people back to Reddit.
We talk here as if this is the place to go to get away from Reddit. But in reality people are turning to smaller Reddit subs and touching grass irl, and Reddit is increasing their subscribers as people flee here to go there, or at maintaining stable numbers as people don’t leave there to come here anymore.
So not total, utter failure as in 0% success, but perhaps single-digit success percentage as we have to now “manage expectations” moving forward with the reality as it is rather than it coming anywhere close to what we hoped we could achieve, together.
The Left always eats its own. And thus turns away centrists who thereby become neutral, which means that the Right wins by default… and thus the cycle continues turning. Same as it ever was. :-)