“Well I eat meat so I don’t really have the moral high ground here.”
“Every year, to the horror of the rest of the world, hundreds of whales and dolphins are chased into bays on the Faroe Islands and massacred in barbaric ways with metal hooks, which are driven into the stranded mammals’ blowholes before their spines are cut,” she said in a statement shared with The Independent.
“The animals cry out in pain. Whole families are slaughtered, and some animals are seen swimming around in their family members’ blood for hours
Yeah…fuck those people. Some cultures are just worse than others.
Yeah…fuck those people. Some cultures are just worse than others.
Factory farms are still way worse, because of the permanent confinement in cramped cages full of shit, the cruel treatment for their whole lives, and the insane scale. It’s like this event happening every second.
Just look at the Dominion documentary and compare it to this. We’re the worse culture.
In principle I’m not against eating meat. It’s what humans have done forever, it’s what all hunters animals have done for billions of years
If you’re going to eat animals, though, first make sure the animals have a nice life on green pastures after which it’s just lights out. Why the fuck do we torture these poor animals without limit before eating them? It’s fucked up.
Second: if you want to eat farm animals, that’s one thing. Eating wild animals from highly strained ecosystems is just plain stupid.
Hmm, do you think “good cultures” should interfere with “bad cultures” and stop them from their barbaric practices, teaching them the enlightened ways of the good cultures?
Yes. Fuck the prime directive, it’s monstrous and evil, and a way for non-interventionists to feel proud of themselves while washing their hands off problems they could easily solve, sanctimonious bastards that they are.
Fair - how much does this idea overlap with colonialism in your mind? Usually we refer to colonialism as intervention for the sake of extraction, but it was/is often motivated through intervention for the sake of morals.
Colonialism isn’t motivated by morals, colonialism is stealing other people’s land for its resources (most of the time; and sometimes the people were the resources being stolen) or strategic importance, or because it’s there, or because everyone else was doing it and not having colonies looked weak, or because it was a nigh uninhabitable far away place were you could dump any undesirables you wanted to forget about.
Morals were merely an excuse or justification, never the real reason.
More often than not colonialism didn’t even consider the native cultures (or the natives themselves, except possibly as a nuisance or, unless they were the resource being stolen, and then they weren’t considered as a culture or people, they were considered as product), they were irrelevant. Maybe some missionaries tried to teach them religion, so they could go to hell for their sins, and very occasionally some scholar categorised and described the cultural artifacts being stolen or destroyed, but that was never the driving force.
When I say fuck the prime directive I’m not talking about colonialism. I’m not talking about destroying cultures, or stealing their lands. The Faroese wouldn’t be any less Faroese if they couldn’t torture whales. They’d still have the rest of their culture, their language, their history, and, unlike with colonialism, their land and their lives. The “harm” to them would be minimal, and the world a less cruel and monstrous place.
What might be a practical way to do it? The Faroese currently have a colonial overlord, Denmark, should they send police or armed forces to stop the slaughter by force? Or should the international community try with sanctions first?
Should we also intervene in e.g. cruel factory farming in other countries like the U.K. or France? Or at least stop the torturing of geese to make foie gras?
Not if the bad cultures are indigenous and have been doing it for long enough. Nothing wrong with hunting endangered species if your culture is endangered.
The primary species being hunted, pilot whales, according to the IUCN is least concern (the lowest rating) and they consider the hunts sustainable: https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/9250/50356171 The dolphin species aren’t endangered, either.
If you object to this on the basis that they’re intelligent that’s fine, but I also hope you don’t eat pork, since pigs are also highly intelligent (and for factory farmed, they lived and died in far worse conditions).
Before opening the article:
“Well I eat meat so I don’t really have the moral high ground here.”
Yeah…fuck those people. Some cultures are just worse than others.
Is this the place the documentary “The Cove” took place/was about?
I honestly hope it is because I’d really like to not believe that there’s more than one of these…
No, sorry, that’s Japan. People are monstrous everywhere.
Factory farms are still way worse, because of the permanent confinement in cramped cages full of shit, the cruel treatment for their whole lives, and the insane scale. It’s like this event happening every second.
Just look at the Dominion documentary and compare it to this. We’re the worse culture.
Agreed
In principle I’m not against eating meat. It’s what humans have done forever, it’s what all hunters animals have done for billions of years
If you’re going to eat animals, though, first make sure the animals have a nice life on green pastures after which it’s just lights out. Why the fuck do we torture these poor animals without limit before eating them? It’s fucked up.
Second: if you want to eat farm animals, that’s one thing. Eating wild animals from highly strained ecosystems is just plain stupid.
Just to be clear,
That’s factory farming, not traditional whale hunting.
They’ve done this for centuries, this is not what is straining the ecosystem.
I don’t think it’s ethical to eat meat, just wanted these things to be clear.
Hmm, do you think “good cultures” should interfere with “bad cultures” and stop them from their barbaric practices, teaching them the enlightened ways of the good cultures?
Yes. Fuck the prime directive, it’s monstrous and evil, and a way for non-interventionists to feel proud of themselves while washing their hands off problems they could easily solve, sanctimonious bastards that they are.
Fair - how much does this idea overlap with colonialism in your mind? Usually we refer to colonialism as intervention for the sake of extraction, but it was/is often motivated through intervention for the sake of morals.
Colonialism isn’t motivated by morals, colonialism is stealing other people’s land for its resources (most of the time; and sometimes the people were the resources being stolen) or strategic importance, or because it’s there, or because everyone else was doing it and not having colonies looked weak, or because it was a nigh uninhabitable far away place were you could dump any undesirables you wanted to forget about.
Morals were merely an excuse or justification, never the real reason.
More often than not colonialism didn’t even consider the native cultures (or the natives themselves, except possibly as a nuisance or, unless they were the resource being stolen, and then they weren’t considered as a culture or people, they were considered as product), they were irrelevant. Maybe some missionaries tried to teach them religion, so they could go to hell for their sins, and very occasionally some scholar categorised and described the cultural artifacts being stolen or destroyed, but that was never the driving force.
When I say fuck the prime directive I’m not talking about colonialism. I’m not talking about destroying cultures, or stealing their lands. The Faroese wouldn’t be any less Faroese if they couldn’t torture whales. They’d still have the rest of their culture, their language, their history, and, unlike with colonialism, their land and their lives. The “harm” to them would be minimal, and the world a less cruel and monstrous place.
Thanks for the elaboration.
What might be a practical way to do it? The Faroese currently have a colonial overlord, Denmark, should they send police or armed forces to stop the slaughter by force? Or should the international community try with sanctions first?
Should we also intervene in e.g. cruel factory farming in other countries like the U.K. or France? Or at least stop the torturing of geese to make foie gras?
Not if the bad cultures are indigenous and have been doing it for long enough. Nothing wrong with hunting endangered species if your culture is endangered.
The primary species being hunted, pilot whales, according to the IUCN is least concern (the lowest rating) and they consider the hunts sustainable: https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/9250/50356171 The dolphin species aren’t endangered, either.
If you object to this on the basis that they’re intelligent that’s fine, but I also hope you don’t eat pork, since pigs are also highly intelligent (and for factory farmed, they lived and died in far worse conditions).
The Faroese are indigenous, have they been doing it long enough?