Yay for multiculturalism and yay for a laugh!
Many of us are as confused as everyone else. We’re a large group bound together by only one factor — we’re not white. So different things matter in different degrees to all of us, it’s near impossible to speak as one.
I don’t even like the term people of colour. The first time I heard it I thought of the Smurfs because they’re blue.
Thank you for that insight.
To add another layer, ‘negro’ is the Spanish word for black which I imagine came about because black or dark-skinned people brought as slaves to the Americas were called ‘blacks’ (or negros) in the Spanish colonies which included a few of the states in the US. ‘Negro’ in Spanish does not carry the same racist baggage that ‘black’ did in English, although this has changed in the US and now negro sounds more pejorative. There are so many subtle (and not so subtle) interpretations and shifts in meaning when it comes to racial and ethnic relations!
In Australia, as immigrants, my family were ‘wogs’ and it was an insult back in the day but then this was taken up as comical badge of honour. Now anyone who comes from a Mediterranean country is quite happy to call themselves wogs and proud of their cultural ancestry and traditions.
Hello fellow wog!
I think the article is highlighting an interesting social issue: that ultimately there actually is no “universal culturally appropriate way” to refer to anybody. You actually have to talk to the people sitting across from you and feel out what they prefer and are comfortable with.
Anecdotally, the mob I used to hang out with were happy to be called black, and they called me white, which I was happy with, and that was the end of it. At the same time, I wouldn’t dare call random people black just because my friends were ok with it. So it’s a bit unfair to be bemused by people being cautious, since I think intuitively we all understand the rocky terrain in this area.
It almost feels like it boils down to a respectfulness thing. Like it’s fine as long as nobody feels like they’re being made fun of or spoken to disrespectfully, which can be hard if you’re not familiar with each other.
It can also be generational. I know some women in their 60s who call themselves ‘chicks.’ That was the slang when they were young and they still like it. Younger women might not agree.
Couldn’t agree more! 🩷
Now anyone who comes from a Mediterranean country is quite happy to call themselves wogs and proud of their cultural ancestry and traditions.
I assume that’s specifically in Australia?
Also, you can tell which group is dominant by a simple test.
When Roseanne Barr did a comic version of singing the US national anthem at a ball game no one called her a disgrace to White people.
Don’t ever call anyone a wog in Britain lol
I’ll just mention the most accurate historical novel I’ve ever read.
“Flashman At The Charge” by George Macdonald Friaser.
Flashman is a slave dealer, rapist, thief, and a backstabbing coward.
Naturally he ends up with a VC and becomes a General.
I am sure I am oversimplifying but it is difficult to deal with this topic without writing a book(s).
Yes, I am referring to Australia, though I can imagine there are still folks calling others ‘wogs’ who are not being ironic or non-insultingly comical. But we ‘wogs’ who have now been here for many decades or 2 generations or more, I’d say we are secure enough in having two cultures to refer to and the merging of both.
Australia. overall, has a vibrant multicultural society but that’s not to say that prejudice, assumptions and racism don’t exist.
Newer groups of immigrants who not only come from a non-Anglo culture PLUS are physically different in skin colour and/or facial features, many of them face an added push-back from parts of the Australian population (including some who would have been called wogs when they were recent arrivals 😠).
Then we have push-back against indigenous people as well.
The right wing to fascist spectrum takes advantage of these challenges, making matters worse.
The US experience is different to the Australian. What HobbitFoot says above regarding African Americans makes enormous sense:
There’s so much to cover.
I think of it this way.
If you’re studying electricity, you can get the same rules from looking at lightning and the static electricity you get from rubbign a cat.
When you study people, you have to remember no two individuals are exactly the same.
I enjoy chatting with you.
Thank you. I enjoy chatting with you too. In fact, most folks in this community are respectful of each other and make interesting contributions.
And you are right, no two individuals are the same, even if they’re twins! 😃