I don’t believe zionism can be separated from judaism
So you do agree with Zionists, got it.
None of your tired talking points address the issue at hand. You’re arguing that Zionism exists within Judaism. Of course it does, I never argued otherwise. You’re arguing Zionism dominates western Jewish institutions. Of course it does, it dominates all western institutions.
The point isn’t whether it exists within Jewish culture or how oppressed white Jewish people are in the west, it’s are there aspects of Jewish experiences, culture, and identity that aren’t Zionist? And of course there are. Anti-Zionist and non-Zionist Jews prove as much. These are aspects that Zionists are attempting to subsume into Zionism and people like yourself seem happy to cede them that ground.
It’s fundamentally a category error and an idealist theoretical deviation. How much it matters, I don’t know, which is why I didn’t make a claim about that. Just that anti-whiteness and anti-semitism are not in any way comparable, since the latter actually exists as a reactionary deviation and subcurrent. So it warrants some semantic precision to avoid making bedfellows with the likes of Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes.
Without Judaism, settler-colonialism would choose some other signifier or culture to co-opt, as has been seen countless times throughout history. Singling out Jewishness as some unique signifier inseparable from settler-colonialism is idealist, to say the least.
I don’t care for your opinion anymore, stop responding
This is childish. If you don’t want to open your beliefs to critique, don’t enter public discussions. If you don’t want a discussion to continue, simply stop replying yourself.
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So you do agree with Zionists, got it.
None of your tired talking points address the issue at hand. You’re arguing that Zionism exists within Judaism. Of course it does, I never argued otherwise. You’re arguing Zionism dominates western Jewish institutions. Of course it does, it dominates all western institutions.
The point isn’t whether it exists within Jewish culture or how oppressed white Jewish people are in the west, it’s are there aspects of Jewish experiences, culture, and identity that aren’t Zionist? And of course there are. Anti-Zionist and non-Zionist Jews prove as much. These are aspects that Zionists are attempting to subsume into Zionism and people like yourself seem happy to cede them that ground.
It’s fundamentally a category error and an idealist theoretical deviation. How much it matters, I don’t know, which is why I didn’t make a claim about that. Just that anti-whiteness and anti-semitism are not in any way comparable, since the latter actually exists as a reactionary deviation and subcurrent. So it warrants some semantic precision to avoid making bedfellows with the likes of Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes.
You’re acting in bad faith. I said zionism can’t be separated from judaism, not the other way around.
I don’t care for your opinion anymore, stop responding
Without Judaism, settler-colonialism would choose some other signifier or culture to co-opt, as has been seen countless times throughout history. Singling out Jewishness as some unique signifier inseparable from settler-colonialism is idealist, to say the least.
This is childish. If you don’t want to open your beliefs to critique, don’t enter public discussions. If you don’t want a discussion to continue, simply stop replying yourself.
Also wtf… without judaism zionism wouldn’t exist, so yes no it can’t be separated.