I personally think capitalism can get bent. A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but companies don’t give a shit about you. Why should you be required to give more than they do?
Sure. But if you apply to a 50 people outfit, there are probably no billionaires involved. Just write the email instead of fucking over some poor IT person who just created all your accounts and now has to clean everything up again, or whoever did two hours of overtime to wrap up the actual task they didn’t get around to finish due to being informed about a super critical omboarding call 30 minutes before it was supposed to happen. Employees of capitalist companies are still mostly just people suffering the same as we all.
If you applied to the likes of X, or OpenAI etc., feel free to ghost those fuckers as much as you like though. Whoever still works there probably deserves no courtesy. Should also probably do some deep reflection on the application then.
This dude ghosted a new job after completing all the steps to onboard. The least he could do is write them an email when he knew he was going to be working somewhere else instead.
Why should you be required to give more than they do?
When a company lays people off or fires someone, I’m pretty sure they tell them about it
Edit: After reading the screenshot again, it reads like the applicant actually showed up for their first day and then decided against working there. There’s def more to.this story than is written here. I’m approaching this as someone with about 15 years of hiring experience who does his best to create a positive work environment, and I’ve had a couple people ghost me after accepting an offer and taking steps to onboard. I say fuck 'em, and my bad for not catching in the interview that they had that kind of personality. Doesn’t make it not a huge pain in the ass for me and everyone I work with
Yeah, what’s your point? Workers are the ones creating value for the company. When you don’t hold any cards, and get paid minimum wage, giving 2 weeks notice is a dangerous game.
Last time I didn’t give notice was a job that I was pretty sure would try to not pay me, or ask me to leave before the two weeks are up. I have no sympathy for employers.
This post sounds like the applicant was an IT or consultant. They definitely “hold cards” and are not paid minimum wage, and are often treated quite well. Usually the company wants these workers just as much as the worker wants the company. It’s a two way street and should be treated as such.
As someone who has hired many people in healthcare, very frankly, anyone who ghosts like this can fucking go to hell. This would extend a position being open sometimes by another month or two and only causes stress for everyone. It’s unprofessional as fuck
I’m not in HR, I’m a clinical manager. I’ve literally never fired someone via text message. I can count the number of people I’ve fired over 15 years on one hand, and they all saw it coming months in advance and had many opportunities to improve. All employers are not equal
Did you know wage theft is the single greatest body of theft in the US? Larger than all other categories of theft combined. Like they are stealing so much of workers money its bananas. Wild to think about but a good table setter for the topic from my experience imo.
Heaven forbid you have the gall to entertain multiple offers. Just like they have entertained multiple applicants. Sometimes you get staggered offers and one ends up being a better offer later in the game. Are you required to go explain yourself to the lesser offering? Nah. If it’s earned sure. Otherwise fuck that.
“Sorry I got something better.” Sounds easy but these guys seem like vindictive shits that I’d argue are untrustworthy narrators. Absolutely possible the hiree sent a note but backing out at the last minute that was seen as an absolute betrayal to their seemingly mid offer… This reeks of their thinking they had a big one on the hook for cheap and they are mad it got away.
“Nothing personal it’s just business.” Is the typical unlubed response to the worker. I fail to see how these thin skinned twats deserve any better, especially with their response here. I’d argue this business deserves the treatment hiring such liabilities in their HR department are clearly bringing them by not dealing with this behavior. Job security for the lawyers I guess.
I understand your point, we should all generally try to be good and respectful to each other. My point is with the imbalance of power in the hiring orocess, propensity for fake interviews we know businesses use, AI use in the interview process, and general lack of respect for the candidates in the pool are all reasons i think you are holding yourself to a standard they refuse. All of these are just the tip of the iceberg of shit in getting a job.
HR and hiring reps do not generally deserve the courtesy unless it’s been earned by being exemplary in demonstrated respect and such diring the process. Because for every instance of this, they’ve likely abused many more people doing similar things to them without blinking an eye. This is just manipulation.
I just had a “restructure” at my work. A good worker with 5 years in the company was told she didn’t have a job same day. So, yes, the people are told about it, but not given any time to prepare. She didn’t get to finish her shift.
I personally think capitalism can get bent. A few years ago I would have agreed with you, but companies don’t give a shit about you. Why should you be required to give more than they do?
Sure. But if you apply to a 50 people outfit, there are probably no billionaires involved. Just write the email instead of fucking over some poor IT person who just created all your accounts and now has to clean everything up again, or whoever did two hours of overtime to wrap up the actual task they didn’t get around to finish due to being informed about a super critical omboarding call 30 minutes before it was supposed to happen. Employees of capitalist companies are still mostly just people suffering the same as we all.
If you applied to the likes of X, or OpenAI etc., feel free to ghost those fuckers as much as you like though. Whoever still works there probably deserves no courtesy. Should also probably do some deep reflection on the application then.
This dude ghosted a new job after completing all the steps to onboard. The least he could do is write them an email when he knew he was going to be working somewhere else instead.
When a company lays people off or fires someone, I’m pretty sure they tell them about it
Edit: After reading the screenshot again, it reads like the applicant actually showed up for their first day and then decided against working there. There’s def more to.this story than is written here. I’m approaching this as someone with about 15 years of hiring experience who does his best to create a positive work environment, and I’ve had a couple people ghost me after accepting an offer and taking steps to onboard. I say fuck 'em, and my bad for not catching in the interview that they had that kind of personality. Doesn’t make it not a huge pain in the ass for me and everyone I work with
Yeah, sometimes the day of. Don’t stick up for capitalsts, they would never do the same for you.
Plenty of employees also quit without giving more than a day notice. In at-will employment, it goes both ways
Yeah, what’s your point? Workers are the ones creating value for the company. When you don’t hold any cards, and get paid minimum wage, giving 2 weeks notice is a dangerous game.
Last time I didn’t give notice was a job that I was pretty sure would try to not pay me, or ask me to leave before the two weeks are up. I have no sympathy for employers.
This post sounds like the applicant was an IT or consultant. They definitely “hold cards” and are not paid minimum wage, and are often treated quite well. Usually the company wants these workers just as much as the worker wants the company. It’s a two way street and should be treated as such.
As someone who has hired many people in healthcare, very frankly, anyone who ghosts like this can fucking go to hell. This would extend a position being open sometimes by another month or two and only causes stress for everyone. It’s unprofessional as fuck
While firing someone via text message on Friday is absolutely OK.
HR guys are basically the company’s lackeys.
I’m not in HR, I’m a clinical manager. I’ve literally never fired someone via text message. I can count the number of people I’ve fired over 15 years on one hand, and they all saw it coming months in advance and had many opportunities to improve. All employers are not equal
All companies aren’t equal either
Yes, that’s what I said
Oh, my bad. I misread “employers” for “employees”. I agree with that.
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Did you know wage theft is the single greatest body of theft in the US? Larger than all other categories of theft combined. Like they are stealing so much of workers money its bananas. Wild to think about but a good table setter for the topic from my experience imo.
Heaven forbid you have the gall to entertain multiple offers. Just like they have entertained multiple applicants. Sometimes you get staggered offers and one ends up being a better offer later in the game. Are you required to go explain yourself to the lesser offering? Nah. If it’s earned sure. Otherwise fuck that.
“Sorry I got something better.” Sounds easy but these guys seem like vindictive shits that I’d argue are untrustworthy narrators. Absolutely possible the hiree sent a note but backing out at the last minute that was seen as an absolute betrayal to their seemingly mid offer… This reeks of their thinking they had a big one on the hook for cheap and they are mad it got away.
“Nothing personal it’s just business.” Is the typical unlubed response to the worker. I fail to see how these thin skinned twats deserve any better, especially with their response here. I’d argue this business deserves the treatment hiring such liabilities in their HR department are clearly bringing them by not dealing with this behavior. Job security for the lawyers I guess.
I understand your point, we should all generally try to be good and respectful to each other. My point is with the imbalance of power in the hiring orocess, propensity for fake interviews we know businesses use, AI use in the interview process, and general lack of respect for the candidates in the pool are all reasons i think you are holding yourself to a standard they refuse. All of these are just the tip of the iceberg of shit in getting a job.
HR and hiring reps do not generally deserve the courtesy unless it’s been earned by being exemplary in demonstrated respect and such diring the process. Because for every instance of this, they’ve likely abused many more people doing similar things to them without blinking an eye. This is just manipulation.
I just had a “restructure” at my work. A good worker with 5 years in the company was told she didn’t have a job same day. So, yes, the people are told about it, but not given any time to prepare. She didn’t get to finish her shift.