yeah, it’s a shame great man Lenin betrayed everyone by not pressing the communism button as soon as Bolsheviks and proletariat took state power, didn’t use mind control magic on the entire world to ensure a global proletarian revolution and immediately made the state irrelevant so it withered away
almost as if the form that proletariat power takes shape in is irrelevant to the “withering away of the state” concept, if you took the time to read anything about it you’d see that it’s predominantly economic transformation that matters
Ah sorry, should’ve specified “Dictatorship of the proletariat” instead, my bad. If the dictatorship is a handful of dudes in a mansion dictating stuff with impunity while gulaging everyone who disagrees, spoiler allert, it’s not a dictatorship consisting of the entire working class. That’s not proletariat power.
And do tell what incentive this ruling class has to induce the economic transformation which would diminish their position of power within the society?
Bro it’s just a dacha. A huge dacha filled with all the people who make all the meaningful decisions with as much opacity as possible. But it’s okay because they’re technically revocable by the constituents who are also, coincidentally, their clients in a vast patron-client network.
DOTP is a period where proletariat seize state power, radically transforming it to pursue their class interests and historic task, that being the end of capitalism as a whole. This class power organizes itself politically through specific organs, one such possible organization being a party that comes from the revolutionary proletariat itself, not something that’s politically autonomous.
Soviet Russia for the first few years was a DOTP, Bolsheviks were genuinely hard at work trying to achieve the first pre-requisite for the abolishment of capitalism, that being an international revolution - you can’t have socialism in one country. However, those revolutions were crushed, Soviet Russia was completely isolated and the state stopped being a DOTP around 1920, with Bolsheviks starting to play for survival rather than advancement of proletariat interests. Concessions were brought in like NEP, later on it had overgone a Stalinist counter-revolution and national bourgeois interests took a grip.
Tried to keep it brief without going into too much detail, but tldr: USSR didn’t fail because le evil cabal of authoritarians, but because the revolution had failed. The ruling class was pursuing economic transformation until it couldn’t and the organ lost its class character.
yeah, it’s a shame great man Lenin betrayed everyone by not pressing the communism button as soon as Bolsheviks and proletariat took state power, didn’t use mind control magic on the entire world to ensure a global proletarian revolution and immediately made the state irrelevant so it withered away
almost as if the form that proletariat power takes shape in is irrelevant to the “withering away of the state” concept, if you took the time to read anything about it you’d see that it’s predominantly economic transformation that matters
Ah sorry, should’ve specified “Dictatorship of the proletariat” instead, my bad. If the dictatorship is a handful of dudes in a mansion dictating stuff with impunity while gulaging everyone who disagrees, spoiler allert, it’s not a dictatorship consisting of the entire working class. That’s not proletariat power.
And do tell what incentive this ruling class has to induce the economic transformation which would diminish their position of power within the society?
how dare you. that is the People’s mansion.
Bro it’s just a dacha. A huge dacha filled with all the people who make all the meaningful decisions with as much opacity as possible. But it’s okay because they’re technically revocable by the constituents who are also, coincidentally, their clients in a vast patron-client network.
DOTP is a period where proletariat seize state power, radically transforming it to pursue their class interests and historic task, that being the end of capitalism as a whole. This class power organizes itself politically through specific organs, one such possible organization being a party that comes from the revolutionary proletariat itself, not something that’s politically autonomous.
Soviet Russia for the first few years was a DOTP, Bolsheviks were genuinely hard at work trying to achieve the first pre-requisite for the abolishment of capitalism, that being an international revolution - you can’t have socialism in one country. However, those revolutions were crushed, Soviet Russia was completely isolated and the state stopped being a DOTP around 1920, with Bolsheviks starting to play for survival rather than advancement of proletariat interests. Concessions were brought in like NEP, later on it had overgone a Stalinist counter-revolution and national bourgeois interests took a grip.
Tried to keep it brief without going into too much detail, but tldr: USSR didn’t fail because le evil cabal of authoritarians, but because the revolution had failed. The ruling class was pursuing economic transformation until it couldn’t and the organ lost its class character.
oh here we go, the Read More Theory Club once again blaming everyone but themselves for their shitty political theory never getting off the ground.
No you see anarchkiddies are stupid for helping people and the real socialists read theory and ignore horrors around them.
Famously that’s how they got things done.