This is an interesting statement. You do realize I was talking about the Soviet Union, yeah? You’re attempting to make an outrageous statement about the ultimate union. The one comprised of the entire working class.
I do understand that a westerner would find it hard to imagine, which is expected. We work jobs we often hate for less than we’re worth, all while being one slip away from being homeless. It’s not great.
Also, unions weren’t outlawed in the USSR nor China. They both had/have a single giant union. Both governments serve(d) to protect the working from the ruling class.
You don’t really need a union to negotiate terms in the same was as you do in the west. You already have universal health care, housing, education, etc…
I suppose the union could serve to protect workers from safety issues, which I’m sure wouldn’t be a huge issue in a socialist environment.
Living conditions in China are surpassing the west. Education is one of the primary focuses, just as it was in the USSR. An educated work force is a happy, productive work force.
I think your opinion of the east may be a little outdated, and much of it was most likely never true… The US budgets millions to just make shit up. I’m sure European countries and the UK play the same manipulative game.
Progress is happening very quickly. Anyways, I wish you well. We hold different opinions, but I think we’re on the same side of the war.
Yeah sorry, I should have taken time out of my day to sincerely refute the nuanced, good faith argument of “actually unions aren’t/weren’t necessary because management was so good to them they didn’t need to advocate for themselves independently from the vanguard party.”
The red scare hasn’t died off, even after the USSR was killed. I highly suggest digging into some good literature. You can’t expect the very exploitative west to offer up any unbiased information.
That’s not true at all. The USSR was run by massive committees filled with workers. These details aren’t taught in the west.
Is that why they made unions fucking illegal? Or why China currently outlaws unions?
This is an interesting statement. You do realize I was talking about the Soviet Union, yeah? You’re attempting to make an outrageous statement about the ultimate union. The one comprised of the entire working class.
I do understand that a westerner would find it hard to imagine, which is expected. We work jobs we often hate for less than we’re worth, all while being one slip away from being homeless. It’s not great.
Sure, the ultimate union… which prohibited any other unions 🙄
Also, unions weren’t outlawed in the USSR nor China. They both had/have a single giant union. Both governments serve(d) to protect the working from the ruling class.
You don’t really need a union to negotiate terms in the same was as you do in the west. You already have universal health care, housing, education, etc… I suppose the union could serve to protect workers from safety issues, which I’m sure wouldn’t be a huge issue in a socialist environment.
Living conditions in China are surpassing the west. Education is one of the primary focuses, just as it was in the USSR. An educated work force is a happy, productive work force.
I think your opinion of the east may be a little outdated, and much of it was most likely never true… The US budgets millions to just make shit up. I’m sure European countries and the UK play the same manipulative game.
Progress is happening very quickly. Anyways, I wish you well. We hold different opinions, but I think we’re on the same side of the war.
Right, a single giant union… subordinated to the vanguard. Very legit.
thanks for the laugh, just completely ignoring the entire comment to reiterate the same point op was refuting.
thanks for not even trying, gave me a giggle.
Yeah sorry, I should have taken time out of my day to sincerely refute the nuanced, good faith argument of “actually unions aren’t/weren’t necessary because management was so good to them they didn’t need to advocate for themselves independently from the vanguard party.”
glad to know it wasnt a once off comment, you really are just a little politically illiterate :)
I somehow doubt that. Could you provide us with a source?
Source: some essay by Lenin throwing a bitch fit
Absolutely. A couple of great books:
This Soviet World by Anna Louise Strong
Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan
You can lead a noob to water, but you can’t make them drink.
There’s currently a reading group going over This Soviet World @ https://lemmygrad.ml/post/12259962
It’s pretty good!
The red scare hasn’t died off, even after the USSR was killed. I highly suggest digging into some good literature. You can’t expect the very exploitative west to offer up any unbiased information.
Okay, I will give those a read
Lol, you mean like the party commitee in China? The one where whatever Xi says happens, happens?
🤣