• gecko@lemmy.ml
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    4 days ago

    by porn industry do they mean human trafficking and prostitution ?

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    They’ve stopped pretending that all of this is to protect Ukranians for so long now, your son will become minced meat and your daughter sold off to predators so that daddy USA can continue its proxy war against Russia and the war industry can keep on pumping out expensive weapons and ammunition

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      But have you considered the fact that Ukrainian women might actually enjoy spreading their legs for 50 year balding old men on the internet and aren’t just doing it because their poor financial situation?

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        I was really sad to see how many Ukrainians were on only fans. I tried to talk to some of them most just wanted to get enough money to leave Ukraine. Shit was depressing.

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    Freedom and democracy, but unironically.

    The Ukrainian people have protested against their government twice during the war already. Remind me, when was the last time Russians protested anything without getting beaten down by the police, let alone actually achieve anything with their protest?

    Also, are you making fun of Ukraine legalzing sex work, while Russia is not only demonizing western debauchery (including lgbtq people .ml claims to be an ally of?) but also making any display of a ‘childless lifestyle’ a punishable offense and even going so far as wanting to brainwash women into having children.

    But go ahead, make a meme about how the Ukraininas are all nazis and selling their girls for profit. Makes you look real sophisticated.

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      This is a very weird and defensive reaction to a country reopening it’s nightmarish post-1991 collapse flesh markets

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      Thank you for supporting the ability of Ukrainian women impoverished by the war to sell their bodies so the war can continue. You are very brave.

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        What your shitty meme fails to mention, as I just realized, is that the porn industry in Ukraine is currently banned, which makes it even more of a head-scratcher why you’d be against more freedom for the Ukrainian people.

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          This is what you guys say to justify every unjustifiable atrocity. This is what you said about the Ukranian drone swarm attack on that boarding school. Pretty soon you’ll just be saying it under footage of an actual massacre.

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          Why would Russia stop if they are on track to win anyways? Genuinely. Do you think Ukraine has a chance to win somehow, or do you think sacrificing Ukrainians to make the war a more costly victory for Russia is beneficial to anyone except western imperialists? Which is it?

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            Could Russia win? Surely. But at what cost? Russia is burning through record amounts of men, the average lifespan of a Russian infantryman once deployed is 36 minutes. This is the same as saying “Why should Iran continue to fight, the US is way more powerful.” Yes, but Trump doesn’t have the backing to start an all-out war against Iran and similarly, Putin is avoiding a general mobilization, as he’s dependent on the average Russian staying apathetic.

            And the Ukrainians have ample reason to resist Russian occupation all by themselves. The killings and disappearances following Russian occupation are a testament to that. Also, the amount of civilian targets hit by Russian drones makes it very clear how highly Putin regards the life of civilians.

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              It’s clear that you have an overwhelmingly one-sided view of the situation, so I’ll ask you very clearly once again:

              1. Do you think Ukraine has a chance to win somehow?

              2. Do you think sacrificing Ukrainians to make the war a more costly victory for Russia is beneficial to anyone except western imperialists?

              Moreover, the people of Donetsk and Luhansk already want to be a part of Russia, which is why the Ukrainian Civil War started in 2014. Do they not get the right to self a determination from Kiev’s war crimes and ethnic repressions?

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                Ukraine has a chance to not let Russia win. The war in Donetsk and Luhansk was started by Igor Girkin and his ilk, he himself admitted as much.

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                  Ukraine has no chance to “not let Russia win.” Support is plummeting in Ukraine thanks to continuous government scandals and the fact that people don’t want to die for western capitalists. Regarding Donetsk and Luhansk, again, the people there support Russia and want to be a part of it. Even in a fantasy world where Kiev wins against Russia, they still to back to the Ukrainian Civil War against Donetsk and Luhansk.

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      Why can’t both of these governments be shit without supporting a war? Just because the Ukrainian government allows some protests doesn’t mean it’s more Democratic or free, it’s not no country on earth is free. I’m not saying Russia is either and I don’t like what the Russian government is doing, but what NATO was doing in Ukraine was extremely dangerous. Brzeziński the psycho pretty much said Ukraine is going to be a nothing country kept perpetually poor and corrupt for western interests.

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        NATO wasn’t doing anything. Russia has gotten away with completely taking over Crimea nd establishing a permanent separatist foothold in Ukraine’s east. Ukraine would’ve never been able to join NATO. Germanywas close to acfivating NordStream2, giving Russia even more influence over european politics. But Putin wanted his vassal state back, similar to how Trump wants to regime-change Iran.

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          NATO spent decades encircling Russia as a hostile and encroaching military coalition of imperialist powers. Regardless of Russia’s reactionary government, it must be understood that western imperialists provoked the war knowingly and deliberately.

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            NATO isn’t encircling Russia, free countries have made the decision to join NATO, going even so far as to blackmail the US to secure membership. They aren’t absorbed like a hostile takeover. Russia has only itself to blame for alienating its neighbouring countries, just as its war of aggression is to blame for Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

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                NATO isn’t an offensive alliance looking to grab land, unlike Russia, so calling ex-soviet states joining NATO an encirclement of Russia is a lie. Putin himself showed that he doesn’t care about NATO “encirclement”, as he not only accepted the “risk” of Finland and Sweden joining NATO, but also pulling troops from the finnish border to use as meat waves in Ukraine.

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                  Yeah NATO is a defensive alliance because we say so, just like the Nazis are socialists because they say. Is it safe to assume you support the democratic peoples republic of Korea?

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                And? A defensive alliance meant to defend against the Soviet Union and its immediate predecessor Russia is upsetting Russia? The shocker. Maybe the Russians should reflect on the fact why every former soviet state wants to join NATO. And Russia can’t join an alliance meant to deter invasions as long as Russia is in the business of invading its neighbors.

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                  Well that just shows how much you don’t know about history, originally NATO was not meant to defend countries against modern Russia. A political theorist just decided that Russia will never be a democracy and therefore must be contained. It takes two sides to fight a war. Nobody is completely innocent, it was a series of diplomatic errors that got us to where we are. Personally I wish we would have just started doing something about climate change in the early 2000s but back then every one thought it wasn’t a big deal except Greenpeace, and here we are.

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              NATO is a military coalition of imperialist countries. My point isn’t that NATO is forced on everyone (though sometimes it is), my main point is that the countries within NATO use it to defend and solidify imperialism, which is why Russia was encircled by NATO.

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          This war was stupid from both sides, and as a normal person I don’t give a fuck about most of this shit because all of it is just making my life worse. Any one who speaks up about this war being a completely pointless waste of human life is put in jail or called a propagandist.

          https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/climate-change-transparency-project/2026-08-18/inside-struggle-dismantle-americas

          These people will kill us all, why pick sides?

          If you read here: https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

          You can see that in the 90s people had a completely different attitude towards politics. If people had been more open and less aggressive towards Russia we might be living in a very different world.

          https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/wgtgma5kj69pbpndjr4wf6aayhrszm