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So fuckerburg, since you want to use us to train AI to get rid of us, where’s our 4m-8m golden parachute packages you’re gonna add to our contract that will ensure we will be able to maintain an income from dividends of investments after you choose to discard us and stop paying us?

oh wait, you’re just pocketing all of that. I guess you don’t have enough billions.

The massive LLP law firms out there use it like kirkland. Gotta have stuff isolated from prying government eyes and other state sponsored attackers around the world.

They use discord because they are too lazy to have real forums that need moderation and can end up airing their dirty laundry - they have to be very careful and on their best behavior because the whole internet can find what they say in search results.

Discord is right up there with social media for ruining society imo. I miss when gamefaqs was the default when a dev didn’t have their own forums.

Way more than $60 billion. Way way more. US is an enormous piggy bank where over a trillion dollars can be moved around any given year to line the pockets of whoever. There’s a reason why fetterman is calling a billion dollars pocket change and why musk is looking beyond a trillion dollars with government contract profits.

I thought it was new zealand.

Scalpers know the brands. They might have missed the OG steam deck, but I promise the oled and now this are max scalp.

Besides, it’s just a controller in a sea of amazing not-MS not-Sony controllers. The only real exclusive here is the dual trackpads.

Asymmetrical sticks are more popular. I really went all in on the xbox style after the 360… but there’s a lot of options that aren’t what I mentioned.

all of them:
https://gamepadla.com/?f=spec_physical_sticksymmetry%3Asymmetric&fo=1

Just the ones with TMR sticks, most of these are high cost options:
https://gamepadla.com/?f=spec_components_typesticks%3Atmr%3Bspec_physical_sticksymmetry%3Asymmetric&fo=1

$70 Gulikit TT Max is probably the closest thing, if TMR is a must anyway. I don’t really see a difference between hall and TMR personally. 4 Rear paddles included that are optional, switch for triggers to be between long throw hall effect and short throw microswitches. Swappable buttons (extra set for the switch). Swappable thumbsticks. Swapple dpad. So many features i’m almost tempted, maybe i’ll check out one of their asymmetric options. https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Controller-Switch-Ultra-Fast-Adjustable-Multi-functional/dp/B0GJ5HWKK6

IMO people who are really only familiar with microsoft, sony, nintendo and valve controllers really are missing the world of amazing value out there with dozens of competing high quality devices with better features and often more reliable than a $200 xbox controller that develops a stuttering bumper button right after the 1 year warranty expires (or before, requiring a replacement that breaks again and again.) This isn’t 1998 anymore, “generic” controllers are often better than the originals.

Anywho… There’s 198 other controllers here than the three you mentioned. https://gamepadla.com/

The original steam controller really was the first one to have it. A niche of users are obsessed with the feature but no major manufacturer has come out and made a copy because it’s just not a popular enough thing.

like I said in my other comment:

Valve was targeting the $40-$60 range originally with this controller. I don’t know what happened, given that the competitors are just a little bit over that.

Vader 4 pro was ~$45 last year, at least according to spam in my inbox and my order history. $67 today.

Vader 5 pro is $63 now, but I haven’t looked at reviews and I don’t need a controller, but on paper they made improvements

8bitdo ultimate wireless 2 is $56 right now even.

Gamesir G7 Pro is another solid option, $80, I don’t have one but they’re also supposed to be excellent. […]

Best bang for your buck is still probably the 8bitdo ultimate 2c. It’s a fairly basic controller with a 2.4g dongle, bluetooth and two extra buttons. You can find them on sale for for $22 at times or sometimes less but full price is just 30.

Effectively nobody went out and threw trackpads or touch controls on controllers. It just wasn’t popular enough after the original steam controller. If you absolutely adore the touchpads on the deck and that’s your reason for picking up a controller, this is the exclusive choice for you lol

Im full time Linux these days at work and at home.

I have gotten four different third party controllers to work, and really only PopOS gave me issues with them. All just are recognized and “just work” on cachyos.

I just haven’t struggled with peripheral compatibility on computers really since the olden days when we transitioned away from dos and early windows to USB… and then again from 16bit drivers to 32 or again to 64bit. But I do know some devices are a problem for some people I suppose.

If you haven’t made custom steam input mappings to utilize the touchpads and capacitive sticks with gyro, then this is not going to appeal to you.

We have a winner. A niche like any other… and steam input isn’t exclusive to steam hardware at all lol, third party controllers get all this and more. We all win!

just want a controller that does the job and does it well

This one portion is the reality. This controller will work just fine, but still be one of the most expensive ones on the market. Enjoy, but know you’ve done no research and don’t really care about the outcome per your own admission.

I grew up with shitty third party controllers that ruined reputation of said off brand controllers, but times have changed. With how the steam software works you can use basically any controller in the world and configure it however you want with your pc games… which is exactly why there’s no compelling reason to go with this model over any other so long as it’s a good controller and just works.

There’s countless stick layouts and choices for people with specific niches. That wasn’t a list of mine, just some potential ones. Most people don’t even know that common and cheap controllers exist with tension settings or adjustable triggers… but hey most people just follow the brand brainwash that advertising and echo chambers on the internet encourage.

Have you been observing the NAND apocalypse and its impact on consumer electronics release and pricing?

~2029 once the recession has hit, housing market has exploded and we get 15-20% unemployment from all the AI devs getting shitcanned and all the workers “replaced by AI” still can’t find jobs because their employer downsized to build a warchest in record low tax time.

That’s my guess anyway.

I have one of those, they go on sale for $20 or less all the time. Works great.

That being said… i’m not here complaining about price, i’m complaining about value. Show me why this is worth what they are asking. I can and have dropped hundreds of dollars on quality peripherals many times. So far all it has is a valve logo on it. I’d buy two vaders over this any day, and that’s just one direct example.

Weird that you call out macros/keybind/crazy stuff as why this isn’t for me, which makes a lot of assumptions. I don’t want to macro all kinds of shit, but I do use my controllers for all kinds of games. I do keybind certain things to the extra buttons. This isn’t even what Valve is going for really. They have effectively three unique features, One extra front button for the quick access menu, the touchpads and a “grip enabled gyro”

Every 3rd party controller has extra buttons that you could setup for that quick access menu.

I have a steam deck. I know how the little pads work. They aren’t great. I still fallback to the touch screen or grabbing a real keyboard instead of trying to type with the stuff.

Nobody is going to have “grip enabled gyro” but where is this going to be useful day 1? A valve tech demo title if anything? There’s no screen like the deck has, so even switch “homebrew” won’t quite work as you’d like without a display touchscreen.

So that leaves the rest of the features which are run of the mill.

• Tons of competitors have TMR joysticks at this price.
• Most have excellent rumble.
• Four buttons on the back is standard with everything. My $25 example only has two bonus buttons, but once you start hitting $50-60 everybody has the two extra buttons and closer to $100 you have a pair of levers too and several extra buttons all over.

Once you start looking at competitors then you start seeing the downsides

• No way to adjust stick tension

• No short trigger switches (the clicky on the vader is beyond addicting.)

• No support for consoles (mentioned anyway)

• No color choices

• No RGB, programmable or otherwise

• Somebody’s gonna have issues bumping into that touchpad when they hold their controller a certain way

• A lot of competitors add a 3rd button to the top on each side as R4/L4. This doesn’t.

• Some competitors also add a couple extra buttons below XABY

• TMR on sticks, but not triggers

• Joysticks not offset like a typical controller. They are very centered and favor the dpad over the stick, and they’re squished upwards because of the touch pads

Anywho, obviously I haven’t held this thing… but on paper it’s just another overpriced controller unless you REALLY want that quick access button and touch pads.

GN is not at all where I would go for controller reviews.

This is a $100 controller and i’m struggling to see how this contends with the various budget ‘premium’ offerings out there like a vader 4 pro or whatever 8bitdo is slinging, or something else. At $100 i’m pretty sure you’ve eclipsed the great majority of premium options for price and the offbrand choices seem to be better than ever.

I’m still convinced that a cheap $25 controller is as good as any of the expensive ones, so long as it isn’t using bluetooth anyway. I don’t need touch options on my controllers and I don’t use fancy macro/keybind/crazy stuff, so low latency, good tactile response and no problems is all I care about. It’s been a long time since the days of the wired xbox 360 controller where competitors sucked.

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You couldn’t ask a buddy to borrow a stick or something? This generation is dual channel with single stick. Perf loss from single stick isn’t so bad… and you definitely don’t need 64GB+ of memory for the majority of use cases, which is where quad stick ddr5 is as a minimum.

The saucer section has never been so… stylish.

I wonder if I can get it in purple.