Sure in the gigantic wall of text. Also it doesn’t tell you why, or what to do about it. All they’d have to do is say “run dist-upgrade to update these packages.”

It is literally in the summary that gets presented in the last few lines before you have to press Y to continue.

Since you are already overwhelmed by the wall of text, you would probably not read the suggestion antways.

I didn’t mean to put words in your mouth, but your replies are exhausting. Lighten up.

I think you got my point. Not sure why you feel the need to try to discuss another discuasion topic with me.

Apt could use some usability improvements, specifically around doing full upgrades. This isn’t a controversial take.

No its not. And again, I never said apt is good or perfect or bad.

Googling apt full upgrade CLI leads to various articles, all of which have a series of commands that are named orthogonally to this fairly common use case, and must be run in order, and sometimes repeated.

I am fully aware, it is not like i ever had to dig down and resolve dependency hell.

There’s good reasons it is the way it is, and it can certainly be improved.

But it is something different if you say that tools could be made better, than writing a whole article with a click bait title on “How i ignored the output of my package manager”.

Nothing of what you said is on topic. I never said linux is for everyone and so on…

First, its about server administration. Second, I am neither saying that this behavior is good or bad.

I am saying that the behavior is clearly stated in the output. Or what else does “packages were held back” mean.

Blaming ignorance in reading the output prompt on the tools is really childish.

But it is clearly stated in the output that it holds back packages.

When a kernel update requires a change in dependencies, something Proxmox kernels do frequently, apt just quietly “keeps back” the package. It doesn’t fail, it doesn’t break the system, and it doesn’t trigger a rollback. It just waits for me to notice.

This should save a click for hopefully everyone.

Yes obviously, if you do not update the packages then they do not get updated.

If you do not read the output of a command then you will not notuce that.

I heard the wisdom once that you should self host everything except for email. I’m sure there are great tools to make it manageable but the effort/gain is just very high.

I find it irretating that you speak on the matter with hearsay without having even tried it with modern tools or project.

With projects like Mailcow its a simple setup. Rspamd handles spam better than many professional industry spam filters i have encountered.

Yes there are some pitfalls someone should be aware of and some know how required, but as of right know, it very easy with very little maintenance.

No one ever said that the new model would not be usefull. But Anthropic hyped it up to a 0-Day machine, who finds 0-Days in every project with easy and in places they could not have been found by humans.