I’m not a guy, not defending child rapists, and it doesn’t surprise me that you would stoop further into name-calling and bullying.

Yeah I don’t have any more to say to you

Good. You have a terrible way with words and a terrible view of the world.

I thought we were talking about their use in private conversations in which the people being mocked are not the other person in those private conversations. So you mean like, if you’re alone with a person who has intentionally harmed people without concern, those are the situations in which you’d use such terms to mock the person to whom you’re speaking? I can’t imagine that would matter to them. Idk, am I misunderstanding you?

What?

I literally said I don’t believe in public shaming.

Literally? No. You said you’re “not in the business of shaming people for that”.

I said they should be ashamed of themselves.

Yes, you’ve said that multiple times in this public thread. Am I not to take that as public shaming? You’re literally telling any/all fat people who might read your comments that they should be ashamed. That is public shaming.

Your cousin should be ashamed of himself to have reached that point.

No. You have no knowledge or understanding of his life and are in no place to talk about him. That’s really rude.

without that shame he would never do that work

You have no way of knowing if internal or external shame played any role in his lifestyle changes and yet assume that you know.

Because being fat is shameful.

I disagree. I think it’s shameful to publicly shame others for things which you cannot know or understand. You assume, and you assume the worst, like many others. That, I find to be shameful.

I can add being poor reading comprehension to your list of faults

Rude and arrogant.

including being okay with Nazi tattoos.

Well that’s just a blatant strawman argument, as I’ve not mentioned nor responded to anything about nazi tattoos.

And the person who is fat should be ashamed of themselves.

• Publicly shaming people is more likely to elicit a defensive response rather than something which can help the person make a positive change.

• What about people who have, through diet and exercise, lost a massive amount of weight, yet are still overweight?

Like, do you not think they suffer enough? I have a cousin, for instance, who lost an amount of weight comparable to an entire person, and yet he is still very large. I think it’s medically impossible for him to be not-fat. Yet he persists with his diet and exercise plan and is much healthier than he had been.

I think it’s unfair for people like him to be bullied for their size and weight, and it doesn’t do anyone any good. It never does. By bullying people who overeat as a coping mechanism, you simply give them another stressor with which they will need to cope.

I can understand that you believe publicly shaming large people is justified because you believe that it will prompt them to change their behaviours for the better, but I think you’re misguided and that your justifications are unreasonable.

Who the hell would think “oh no, there’s someone across the globe that might have a hurt feeling if they knew about this private conversation”?

I’m pretty sure they were trying to say that continuing to normalize it is a bad thing because it says to the other people in those private conversations “these are acceptable things to say to and about others”.

I think it’s kinda like how some people would argue it’s bad to say racial slurs, even in private conversations, because it can be a signal that racism itself is acceptable. It’s similar with anti-queer slurs too. The mindset is that it’s better to avoid using a person’s body as the basis for insults.

Like, I’m trans, and when I was still hiding that fact from others, I heard lots of slurs and hurtful things, because the other person in those private conversations thought I was “one of the guys”. It’d be nice if more people who are not the object of mockery would confront it instead of going along with it.

Anyway, I think that’s what they were saying, and I hope I’ve made sense.

I think it’s more that no one yet wants to sacrifice their life for the hope that their death is more than just a failed attempt to curtail the great evils of this world. The massive numbers of people who agree that “something must be done” is useless without organization and leadership. The surveillance state makes that next-to-impossible. Privacy is key in the ability of a people to safely organize, yet privacy (and proper OPSEC) in the modern world is more complicated/difficult than most people are willing/able to manage. I think that we will see a great suffering leading up to the great collapse.

the only useful thing he can provide is tax money.

Not true. He and a select few others are in the process of providing the great collapse.

Hot take

suicide or suicidality? subtle difference. “my suicide” suggests failed attempts of the past, whereas “my suicidality” suggests potential for a successful attempt yet-to-come. or it could be intentionally ambiguous to represent both. relatable <3