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Chile:
You can’t fool me thats the Baltic Islands
Ukrainians: We’re fucking tired of people trying to get our lands. And we have weapons and will to use them. So, please, behave.
I mean, they’re not so precious about other people’s land - just ask Poland, Hungary or Romania…
I’m as pro-Ukraine as anyone (and before you argue that, tell me how much time you spent in Ukraine since the war started and how many Russians have tried to kill you) - but let’s not whitewash, and remain realistic about who and what we’re fighting for here, or at some point you are going to find yourself very disappointed.
(Most of the Ukrainians I know are well able to take a joke, btw. They don’t need white knights.)
Hi, Ukrainian here. Kindly fuck off. If we’re going to start dick measuring contest by how much of whose land who occupied, west of Ukraine had been part of Poland and/or Austro-Hungary for most of history.
And since you’re measuring credibility by how much time one spent in Ukraine, I was born here and lived here for my entire life, including the war. So I guess my dick is longer.
west of Ukraine had been part of Poland and/or Austro-Hungary for most of history.
Well, quite.
I was born here and lived here for my entire life, including the war.
Good, good. How is hiding in Grandma’s basement hoping the vans don’t find you? Or did you put on a limp for a reservation?
So I guess my dick is longer.
Certainly had a lot more manual exercise, I’ll wager.
Ah, so we are repeating russian propaganda here. “Pro-Ukraine” my entire ass.
What part is russian propaganda here?
Guy just seems bitter
The part where Ukraine took parts of other countries and, therefore, isn’t a real country. And the part where Ukrainians are hiding in their houses or else getting kidnapped by vans and sent to the frontlines.
Nobody said Ukraine wasn’t a real country. The fact that it acquired quite a lot of its current land from neighbouring countries by force - you can thank Stalin for roughly a quarter of modern-day Ukraine, including Bucovina, Transcarpathia, northern Basarabia and Snake Island - is indisputable fact; that doesn’t make it “not a real country”. It does make it frankly admirable the degree of support that Ukraine has received in its hour of need.
As for people hiding in their granny’s basement to avoid fighting - I mean that’s just objective truth. The only thing that scares a Ukrainian IT worker more than being asked to go to the front-line is being asked to pay taxes.
That people gets dragged off the street and forced into the army all over the place like in some sort of dictatorship. Pressed on the matter they’ll find some kremlin article or some mishap from 2022 (meanwhile in Russia, it happens all the time).
And a general feeling of non-democracy/fear for the state/Zelenky.
Ukrainians have shown they are very attached to democracy, over and again BTW and ate rallying behind Zelenskyy.
So fuck this piece of shite.
Not really, and I’ll grant it was a dick reply; I should be better than that. I’ll not delete it out of honesty, though.
BUT, as much as I love Ukraine dearly, it is also not the Perfect Saviour Defending Europe either, and we should frankly be realistic about that. I was in east Ukraine in 2014 when Russia invaded - and if you ask any east Ukrainian to be honest with you, they’ll tell you it really wasn’t hard to find people who welcomed the arrival of the little green men; it’s a nuanced picture. It is also undoubtedly one of the most corrupt, homophobic, racist European countries I have ever visited, with the possible exception of Serbia and Russia itself. It has histprically treated its neighbours, their people, and their land horrendously. And being blunt, most of the Reddit/Lemmy army have not been bravely fighting the good fight, they’ve been doing everything they can to avoid it for the last 4 years - the real heros are not armchair generalling on Lemmy.
All the above can be true and at the same time it can be the right thing to do to support them unwaveringly in their fight with Russia. But it does absolutely no good to bullshit and whitewash reality in the process - because one day this war will be over, and a lot of people are going to wake up one morning realising that actually, no, battle-scarred and heavily armed former Azov fighters are probably not the best neighbours in the world, and they will be backtracking wildly on promises made in haste and regretted at leisure.
Support Ukraine wholeheartedly, but not blindly. And if that really was the Russian propaganda line, I think the world would be a much better place.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
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they’re not so precious about other people’s land - just ask Poland, Hungary or Romania…
Oh, so it is Ukraine who wants some parts of Poland or Hungary?
I’m as pro-Ukraine as anyone
You sound like Russian.
who and what we’re fighting for
And who and what are you fighting for here demonstrating this map?
You sound like Russian.
I’m Russian.
Some of us are pro-ukraine.timochka isn’t.
So you know nothing about Ukrainian history or geography.
You’re an idiot. Plonk.
USA election maps.
Im just glad they didnt take more of hungary, especially since the north central and north west parts are the only bearable ones for me(plus the area arround szeged but thats just because everything is extremely based there)
Seeing as it takes more land from russia than Ukraine, I’ll take that deal.
