The only solution is the no-state solution

  • Digit@lemmy.wtf
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    9 days ago

    Gets me singing “He’s got the whole world, in his hands”, and amused that those simps insist their partialism is in alignment with “He”.

  • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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    11 days ago

    How does a no-state Palestine defend itself from Israel? How many minutes would a no-state Cuba last before gusanos with US weapons and air support show up and implement their own state?

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      11 days ago

      In this hypothetical there would be no Palestine and no Israel and no Cuba and no USA

      It is hard to imagine a truly global society with no us vs them mentality though so I forgive you forgetting to remove the other half of states 🤪

      • brynden_rivers_esq@lemmy.ca
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        10 days ago

        lol, yeah I mean if we could do it with a snap of our fingers, sign me up. If we do it by prolonged struggle using all available means including imperfect ones like violence and states…also sign me up.

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          9 days ago

          I suspect we could expedite this if we de-secret, disclose, reveal, avail and provision all the secreted emancipatory technologies. No longer needing the resource wars and the banding together to compete over scarce resources. No more threatening hoards to provoke the inevitably-toxifying group-cohesion by.

          Brashly, boldly, going further than Steven Greer suggests with his recommendation of continued suppression of travel tech until we’re sorted with free energy tech.

          Which way has least chance/amount of violence and states persisting (or even provoked)? I think better people are free to get out of the way.

          One afternoon, one day, around the world… everybody provisioned with their own interstellar spaceship that’s safe enough a 2 year old can fly home in. That snap of the fingers. How much violence or need of nation states persists then? All gone?

    • punkisundead [they/them]@slrpnk.net
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      11 days ago

      How does a no-state Palestine defend itself from Israel?

      A zero state palestine would obviously exist on the lands of all historical palestine, which would make the existence of current day Israel impossible. And tbh, I dont see how being organized via a state is any help in defending oneself from current day Israel, as we can see in Iran.

      How many minutes would a no-state Cuba last before gusanos with US weapons and air support show up and implement their own state?

      How many minutes would the state of Cuba last against an invasion of the US? Other commentators pointed to examples of stateless defense of territory that might even be more effective in their circumstances than establishing a state

      • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
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        10 days ago

        I dont see how being organized via a state is any help in defending oneself from current day Israel, as we can see in Iran.

        What are you talking about, Gaza still exists because of their state organization resisting Israel, and Iran has the US by the balls.

        How many minutes would the state of Cuba last against an invasion of the US?

        Long enough the US hasn’t risked it.

        examples of stateless defense of territory

        Their examples either failed or fit the definition of a state.

          • Digit@lemmy.wtf
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            9 days ago

            But to those who’ve succumbed to this kind of [… um ~~~ how to word…] narcissistic solipsistic naive-realist demented delusion, where to them, pens do make good binoculars, things do become true just because they pretend them to be, because, they’re pretending that to be, and living in that delusion recursively, and what their binoculars wrote tells[~/confirms] them so.