Kagi is a subscription-based search engine that argues that paying for search is a reasonable thing to do in order to avoid ads and companies selling your information. They also have lenses, e.g. for searching the fediverse specifically. Anyone that wants to share their experience of using Kagi?

  • capably8341@sh.itjust.works
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    14 hours ago

    I realize that this post sounds like I’m shilling for Kagi, so I’ll say up front that I have no affiliation with them whatsoever. I’m just a satisfied customer. I’ll also fully admit that I don’t know much about the controversies or privacy issues other people are referencing. So look at others’ replies for that. I’ll be doing my research about it too.

    From a purely search perspective, I don’t really use their customizations. I don’t need to. It far and away beats any competition in my experience. I’ve used it for over a year now, and will probably never switch off of it. Every month or two, when I have to use a different browser or machine that has DuckDuckGo, Startpage, or Brave, I get frustrated within a few minutes of searching. Maybe some self-hosted stuff can compete, but I haven’t tried any of them for any length of time. Of the handful of people I’ve recommended it to IRL, they all switched over permanently.

    But general praise isn’t worth anything without an explanation, so here is a long-winded one.

    1. Lenses are awesome! Of the ones I use the most:

      • Forums is a much better version of appending “reddit” to a search.
      • PDFs comes in handy for me specifically. I read a lot of papers, and it is very good at skipping past annoying sign in, click through four buttons, and go through a captcha to get to the pdf.
      • Academic is a good supplement to Google Scholar. I still use scholar as my main search for academic sources since I don’t want to miss any papers that other people will find. But Kagi often finds some relevant papers that don’t appear high up Google Scholar.
    2. The amount of AI slop, SEO-optimized articles on other search engines is just abhorrent. I’m not sure how they do it, but Kagi does an amazing job at cutting them out. I no longer fear searching for “best vacuums for hard floors” or whatever. The results that come up are actual good review sites (Consumer Reports, Rtings.com, specific websites dedicated to vacuum reviews) and sometimes useful Reddit posts. On other search engines (at least back when I switched to Kagi), I only got AI generated listicles of what are the first 10 results on Amazon with “reviews” that are just rewordings of the amazon descriptions.

    3. I know AI in search is controversial, but I think the “Quick Answer” feature is done very tastefully. I do think there are searches where AI summaries can be helpful, efficient, and unlikely to be inaccurate. The button doesn’t feel intrusive, and I’ll end up clicking it about 1/10 searches.

    4. I like the little shield on the right side that gives you an insight into how many ads/trackers a site has. It’s another thing that can help you make better choices on which websites to go to. Not a huge thing, but I like it.

    5. I’ll admit this one is less precise, but I feel like search results are much closer to what I’m actually looking for. When I’m searching for something very specific, the results are exactly what I want, not tangential.

    Summary: For my personal day-to-day searches, Kagi is a no-brainer. It make searching easy and frictionless again. It’s what I’d expect a good search engine to be like in 2026. And I think it’s worth paying for a service when it provides value, especially when you aren’t the product.

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    16 hours ago

    I have it, I use it, I like it. I love not seeing ads, I love getting more independent results like blogs, I love getting tailored websites based on my own design (meaning i personally flagged things for more or less weight in the Algo).

    I’m aware they’re not as privacy focused as they claim to me. I’m aware the founder is a bit weird and that they have some AI components. Right now id rather pay them $100 bucks a year than give that same amount to Google via ads, and most importantly protecting my information sphere.

    If there was a better paid option I’d consider switching. I’m not convinced SearX or whatever it is is worth the effort, so Kagi I remain.

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      15 hours ago

      +1 to everything this guy said for me as well.

      I’ll add that I think the price is probably too high for what I use, but it’s still worth it to not use Google.

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      14 hours ago

      this is my exact experience / opinion. i’ve tried many other search options (ddg, ecosia, startpage, yandex, &utm=14, my own searX instance) and none of them gave me the same user experience as kagi.

      try out the lowest tier like i did and see how those first few hundred searches work out for you, if you’re in doubt.

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      15 hours ago

      Does it have decent reverse image search? Nothing I’ve tried is as good as Google reverse image search used to be.

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    18 hours ago

    I have subscribed for two separate months before, when doing a project that involved a lot of research.

    I always cancelled after the project was done, because of their stance on privacy. They clearly pretend to be privacy focused, but you need to provide an email and their privacy policy didnt even meet the legal bare minimum in the EU up until a month or so ago, which is just embarasing. Yes, they have that privacy pass thing, but then it blocks like half the features that make kagi good so I didnt use it much.

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    14 hours ago

    heard many replies mention the CEO’s questionable behavior. I have not heard of any. Anyone have links? Also let’s not just disregard shitty / questionable behavior and really lean into it - because it won’t go away. We’d just pump cash into someone who then learns being questionable or shitty is ok.

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    12 hours ago

    Have subscribed for a few months, and filtering out or boosting results is the best feature. However their AI offering is just very lackluster compared to the other big tech firms, and I use software for efficiency, not mainly privacy. However I can trade off some UX for privacy

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    13 hours ago

    Yep, I pay for the lowest tier and it’s good. Sometimes I’ll need to go back to bing via duck duck go to check if a specific technical thing isn’t being found but usually it’s not on bing either.

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    17 hours ago

    I currently have the trial and I use it when other search engines like DDG fail me. It has helped me find documented solutions to tech problems at work that came up empty from other sources. I feel like the search results are more similar in quality to what google used to be in the early days of the internet, maybe even at the height of their dont be evil days. Which is really good praise

    I am on the fence about subscribing, because although they claim privacy the fact that my searches are tied to my account in some form is an issue, even if there doesnt appear to be search history. Also the value of search really has been pushed so far down by other options that the cost is extremely hard to justify for me

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    16 hours ago

    I begrudgingly think it is worth it, though mainly for the purposes of better search results. You can up/down rank, and even block websites. The amount of time you save not having to trudge through enshittified results is amazing, and sadly (imo) justifies the $10/month for no Pinterest, medium, quora.

    The value proposition from a privacy and moral perspective is more questionable however. Though it does offer more privacy conscious options than other search engines (not saying much), the defaults are definitely not very privacy respecting.

    I know that LLMs are generally antithetical to privacy, but Kagi’s LLM offerings are usually vetted for things such as zero data retention. IIRC their LLM queries actually cost more than their search queries, so it’s somewhat of a loss leader.

    Kagi as a company also just seems… immature? Most of their customer/community engagement is via a Discord server, and with an ever increasing amount of half-baked features no one asked for (browser, translate, and even email), combined with their CEO’s questionable behaviour, does not inspire much confidence.

    On the other hand, their search is still the best, and they have other features such as SlopStop (like sponsor block but for flagging AI slop results), and dedicated small web index are genuinely amazing.

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    17 hours ago

    I love it, I use it quite a bit, and it get shit done. The web is boring again, instead of all the flashy shopping banners, I just search, done, and leave.

    Their LLM is opt-in and on demand. Your search never triggers LLM by default, and you will need to add a question mark after it. This feature can of course, be turned off.

    The privacy aspect is honestly a bit lacking besides “trust me bro”, they have this great privacy pass extension, but it disables all setting, because it can be used to personally identify you if you have complex page rank preference. I am okay to not have extensive settings but “open in new tab” and safe search settings would be nice to have :( plus, it also doesn’t work on firefox for android.

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      16 hours ago

      I’m pretty sure mine opens everything in new tabs and it definitely works in Firefox on Android as that’s how I use it on my phone.

      Otherwise, spot on.

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        16 hours ago

        Are you using the “privacy pass” extension? I cannot find it in the FF extension library :( The only one avaliable seems to be kagi search.

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    It’ll be tough for you to find a middle of the road review of this, because people either pay a monthly subscription fee, and are aware of this, and use it because otherwise they’d be wasting their money… or they don’t use, it and can’t really contribute.

    Personally, I’ve been turned off by it for a couple reasons:

    • I do not agree with their manifesto, which flies in the face of privacy and the dangers of the Filter Bubble

      And when you ask your own AI a question like “does God exist?” it will answer it relying on biases you preconfigured. When you ask it to recommend a good restaurant nearby, it will do so knowing what kind of food you like to eat. The same will happen when you ask it to recommend a good coffee maker - it will know the brands you like, your likely budget and the kind of coffee you usually drink. All this information will be volunteered to the AI by you…

    • The face of the company is rather weird
    • Subscription money goes to AI
    • It doesn’t offer me sufficient value compared to free search engines that keep me anonymous by default.

    ETA: If you use Kagi, don’t rely on promises alone to keep your data private. Consider a masked email for login (you must provide one), and definitely use their Privacy Pass to keep your searches unlinked from your account instead.

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      13 hours ago

      That blog post was an interesting read. I didn’t really like that kagi doesn’t a offer a plan without any LLM but the handling of user data seems even worse.

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      This is very similar to my experience.

      I was a Kagi user for around 3 years, didn’t really ran into issues looking up stuff, but also never really had to compare it with other search engines. I found answers to what I needed, and it was a passable answer. Don’t need much else from a search engine.

      I left when they started investing my money into muddying search with AI. Yes, you can turn it off. But that still means I get way less worth for what I pay, because instead of focusing the respurces on making a better search engine, they are focusing on AI.

      I found out I’m ok with just using DDG or recently Ecosia. Both have AI, I can turn it off, but at least I’m not paying for it so IDC. In the case of Ecosia, at least they have a greenwashing twist as a bonus so I can feel better about myself, lol.

      EDIT: Just to make it clear, I kind of trust Ecosia in their mission and I respect what their goal is, but I’m having a hard time trusting a company that adds an OpenAI-based chatbot to their site. They might’ve already changed it, but when they rolled it out and I saw the sentence “Ask our Ecosiabot about how to be more enviromental friendly” literally right under “This chat is subjected to OpenAI privacy policy” is so extremely ironic I lost a lot of trust in them. But still, at least they are trying to greenwash a bit.

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        Thanks for reminding me about Ecosia. I hadn’t seen any of this, so I looked at their privacy policy and they actually refer to Mistral as if it is their exclusive provider:

        LLM provider

        We offer an AI-based chat service that allows you to have back and forth conversations on topics of your choice. If you use our chat service, queries will be sent to our model provider Mistral AI.

        But then, much farther down, they mention OpenAI.

        The provider we primarily use is Mistral AI… Ecosia may engage OpenAI as a backup service provider where Mistral is unavailable or a fallback is necessary to ensure continuity… You can find more information in OpenAI’s privacy policy. OpenAI will store your input and output data for 30 days for quality assurance purposes.

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          My issue is mostly with their claim “we want and have the service we provide energy neutral”, vs " oh and we also use AI from companies that are using the power equivalent of a large city to power them".

          Any enviromentaly conscious person should be against AI.

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      23 hours ago

      Yeah, found out that the company and its founder sounds a bit… interesting to say the least. Thanks for your input

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      Wow I did not expect to enjoy reading that blog post as much as I did. This Vlad dude comes off like a petulant child.

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    18 hours ago

    I subscribed briefly, then requested a refund. The reason was both for the highly customisable and curated search, but also for Assistant - because I trust Kagi a little more than Google, Anthropic, OpenAI, or Perplexity with my “best pancake batter according to Reddit” queries - even if that’s fundamentally compromising my privacy. Kagi tended to deliver better information in general, so maybe I’d want to use LMs less frequently - I thought.

    However, that slight hint of trust was shattered very quickly when they did what every company with a profit does best - sold me a lie:

    https://kagifeedback.org/d/10116-kagi-assistant-standalone-subscription

    Which means what I’d subscribed to will have eventually gotten worse, likely for the same price, and Kagi had no intention of letting me know before I subscribed, and their intention seemed to be to just make active subscriptions worse, as they were opposed to grandfathering in the thread.

    So I decided I’ll pass, I have enough “products” I don’t trust. Even if it’s all in the “we’re ‘contemplating’ stage”, it’s clear what their approach is and how far they’re willing to go with, pardon me, fucking users over.

    P.S. I understand the sustainability problem. But I’d have expected them to have that part figured out before actively offering it in a subscription. The way they are going about it is off-putting. So, no thanks.

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    I don’t know why Kagi would be shilled in the Privacy community when they don’t seem to actually understand privacy… They claim to be privacy focused out of one side of their mouth, while asking for more and more information from the user to allow their AI features to work out of the other side. They apparently resolve this in their own head by just claiming that any information you voluntarily give to them isn’t private information.

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    Kagi has been great for me so far. I’ve been paying for their subscription for many months, and using their Orion browser as well across my mobile & desktop devices.

    They’re reminiscent of the old Internet search engines - without being full of ads, sponsored content, and all that bizarre corporate stuff that we are being fed nowadays.

    Sure it may not be perfect for some, however it works for me. Their AI is quite useful too for aggregating search results, and researching on various topics (I recommend Qwen in particular).