• NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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    9 days ago

    Generally speaking (because ‘Muslim Countries’ covers 1/3rd of countries on the planet) as long as you conform to some traditional gender role, even if it wasn’t what was assigned at birth, you’re going to be okay.

    Are you sure? Where did you get this from?

    • vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works
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      LGBTQ laws in Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan pre CIA-installation of the taliban, anywhere in the ‘muslim’ world that Christian extremists didn’t settle, sorry, that ‘missionaries’ didn’t do ‘outreach’ in. Even Syria had a period of acceptance in the 1980s before, you know, the thing happened.

      Islam teaches to love all your brothers and sisters, even when they ‘sin,’ as long as that sin is self-indulgent instead of harmful to others it’s generally fine. Any country accurately implementing Shariah generally has leniency if not acceptance towards LGBTQ people… as long as they live in traditional gender roles. In Iran, for instance, it is illegal to be gay, as in its illegal to live as a man and sleep with men. But if you’re ‘trans’ and live as a woman, you’re golden. You will literally have state protection. You just need to play the game as presented and you’re fine.

      Now again this isn’t ideal and people should be accepted outside the narrow gender roles ingrained in Shariah, but compared to any area with a Christian majority where Christians have taken over the government, it’s pretty advanced.

      The Jewish faith is inherently pro-LGBTQ, Christians would be if they followed the bible even slightly, and Muslims brought back the pro-LGBTQ that Christians abandoned during the puritan era.

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        Shariah law calls for the stoning to death of gay men.

        “But you would need to do it in public to reach the 4 witnesses requirement” is NOT good enough, because these reasons fuel stigma that leads to lynching and hate crime. If the whole “Lut” thing and the aforementioned precedent in the Hadith didn’t exist, there wouldn’t be this state-sanctioned execution/imprisonment of gay and lesbian people (“but you can just be trans” is frankly bullshit and is downplaying the severity of the issue). Without the religious baggage of Islam there wouldn’t be social stigma on anywhere near the scale and that would drastically improve life expectancy for queer people.

        You say “as long as that sin is self-indulgent” but this isn’t how homosexuality is treated historically. It’s viewed as a plague that would spread through the masses if allowed and they assert the need to step down on it (as is evident given by the fact that there are exactly 0 countries that legalized homosexuality and have hate crime protections).

        It’s not just “not ideal”, it’s downright barbaric and disgusting.

        West Europe, Scandinavia and Canada may like a word with you. Hell, even the US was “okay” w.r.t. queer rights before trump.

        Judaism and Christianity both share the passage of Gemorrah and Seldom, none of the Abrahamic faiths are inherently queer affirming, only fringe minority subsections of those communities are.

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          It’s a common confusion caused by combining homosexuality and gender transition. Homosexuality is illegal in most Muslim countries. On the other hand, gender transitioning is not only accepted, but often considered a routine medical procedure. So in countries like Iran, the surgery is even subsidised. There are also legal protections, at least in Iran and Pakistan.