I’m gonna bet author of this post never lived anywhere near anywhere near actual USSR.
I get it, I hate capitalism too. But USSR was dictatorship that murdered milions and didn’t care about the little “you”. Stop glorifying authoritarian regimes.
“All those things the Nazis did are bad, but what does that have to do with the crimes of the Judeo-Bolsheviks?”
The same people who pinky swore that all the things I said are true are the same people who held a flashlight under their chin and told you about the scary USSR when you were a child. All these fairytales come from the same source, and believing any one of them is just as stupid as believing any other.
Stop letting the Epstein Empire tell you what to think about it’s enemies
Great, I however grew up in post-communist country and seen with my own eyes the fallout of it’s existence.
Exchanging one propaganda for another is just as bad. Fuck USA, but also fuck USSR. Both of those can be true.
“murdered millions” intentional? targeted? What millions are you talking about?
Some policies were not that effective or maybe even wrong but the deaths were in most cases not intentional.
Get some sources or at least hints to what you are talking about…
One great thing was how safe it was. My parents just left me alone when they went to work, and I’d hang out with friends after school. Everything was really convenient as well cause all the things you needed were in walking distance. You didn’t even need public transit most of the time.
In summer, my family timeshared a coop dacha with a couple of other families and I’d hang out with their kids.
We only had a black and white TV though, even in the late 80s. And there weren’t a lot of shows to watch. But my parents got me reading at an early age, and I ended up loving sci-fi which is still my fav genre today.
There wasn’t any consumerism, and no ads blasted in your face. You didn’t buy stuff often, and things like clothing or gadgets all the time. Stuff was generally meant to last. There were no malls really either. There were a lot of parks though, and my parents really liked going for walks. So it’s another habit I’m glad I developed.
School was pretty intense. You had to juggle a bunch of subjects, and that was pretty tough.
First part of this is something I think the Soviets truly got right, city planning. Huge shame it was maligned after all the public run services were thrown to the dogs so the intertwined housing blocks then became increasingly shit.
It’s kind of funny how the whole 15 minute city idea that people keep talking about has been right there this whole time. Incidentally, China structures cities very much in a similar way as well. Everything is walkable there.
This literally just reads like what I hope my retirement will look like. I’m done with this consumerist hell. I just want some peace and hopefully my friends in close vicinity so we can visit each other and cook/bake things that we share over a cup of tea
Indeed, capitalist society has a drive to monetize every human interaction, and that’s just fucked. We need places to just hang out and be ourselves without being expected to constantly buy shit.
It was literal labour benefit vacation in state owned or coop resorts for which most of workforce was legible, which you would know if you actually read that one line instead of fixating over the word “dacha” like the pavlov’s dog fed on anticommunist propaganda.
And if you knew how to read both comments and statistics, you’d be able to tell that in the 80’s access to coop dachas had… What, from 3 m in 1970’s to 8 million families by the end of 80s - So about 5-12% of population? (Source: T.G. Nefedova’s 2012 article “Gorozhane i dachi”)
But no, instead you focus on your imagination that I must’ve mean luxury villas like in the 50s?
You clearly do, since from my memory (granted, from Poland, not USSR) i never met any worker or worker children who was not going to vacations yearly before 1989. So either Poland was vastly better than USSR or your article is shit, or the definition of “dacha” and “vacations” vastly vary.
FWP peaked at 4m adults yearly (including partial refinancing) in the early 80s.
It is true to almost every kid during PRL was able to participate in some form of vacation. Please note that most were at the level lower than coop dachas, mostly tents, schools etc, and it was only partially refinanced.
Likely yeah, my family moved around a lot after the collapse. And that’s the main thing I noticed, people aren’t that different wherever you go. We all have the same needs and drives. We hang out with friends, do stuff to pass the time, go to school, work, etc. But there are some important differences that come from having guarantees in life. For example, nobody in USSR worried about losing their job and ending up on the street or not being able to retire in dignity. These were a category of thoughts that simply didn’t exist because these were considered to be inalienable human rights. Today, living in Canada, I always have the thought of what will happen if I lose my job in the back of my mind. It’s an ever present worry hanging over you. You can be making good money, and like you work, and then the company you work for could go out of business, or you can get laid off because some a spreadsheet didn’t line up the way investors want. I’d give anything to have the guarantees my parents had back in the Soviet days.
Great, good for you. I grew up in one of USSR satellite states, and it sucked balls.
Poverty was widespread, and if you dared to complain you were disappeared.
Surprisingly, my life is not that bad now. If anything, I wish USSR had fallen sooner.
Ah yes, the good old, fuck you I got mine. The fall of USSR meant that millions of people had their lives destroyed. But little scumbag here is doing fine.
bro dont comment on these communities. it’s no use. nobody here listend to reason. i also agree that capitalism is bad, but is capitalism under a red flag and dictatorship really better?
I’m gonna bet author of this post never lived anywhere near anywhere near actual USSR.
I get it, I hate capitalism too. But USSR was dictatorship that murdered milions and didn’t care about the little “you”. Stop glorifying authoritarian regimes.
Uh huh, and Hamas beheaded 40 babies and Saddam Hussein was building nukes and Iran invisibly killed 40,000 protestors
Sure, and how does this relate to the topic? All of those are horrific, but that doesn’t make USSR’s abuses any better.
They’re all horrific fantasies, that was the point. None of them are true, yet you’re parroting them just like you’re parroting Red Scare mythos.
This mf thinks Hamas actually beheaded babies and Sadam was actually building nukes.
“All those things the Nazis did are bad, but what does that have to do with the crimes of the Judeo-Bolsheviks?”
The same people who pinky swore that all the things I said are true are the same people who held a flashlight under their chin and told you about the scary USSR when you were a child. All these fairytales come from the same source, and believing any one of them is just as stupid as believing any other.
Stop letting the Epstein Empire tell you what to think about it’s enemies
Great, I however grew up in post-communist country and seen with my own eyes the fallout of it’s existence.
Exchanging one propaganda for another is just as bad. Fuck USA, but also fuck USSR. Both of those can be true.
Why do you attribute to communism what you remember from growing up in a capitalist system?
So you saw how bad the fallout of it’s collapse was.
What other propaganda! The USSR doesn’t exist to put out propaganda, all you are getting is pro US propaganda.
They can be but they aren’t
They are strawmannig you because u dared to talk bad about %200 socialist regime and our glorious leader Stalin.
No one mentioned Stalin, so clearly you’re lying
Oooooh eglin seems to be leaking in. No one mentioned Stalin, yet you immediately started the capitalist propaganda
I know. I wouldn’t expect anything else from here. Just disappointing.
Mate. That’s not what happened and you know it
“murdered millions” intentional? targeted? What millions are you talking about? Some policies were not that effective or maybe even wrong but the deaths were in most cases not intentional. Get some sources or at least hints to what you are talking about…
I grew up in USSR, but do tell me more how terrible my life was.
100% serious and sincere question: could you say more about what growing up in the USSR was like?
One great thing was how safe it was. My parents just left me alone when they went to work, and I’d hang out with friends after school. Everything was really convenient as well cause all the things you needed were in walking distance. You didn’t even need public transit most of the time.
In summer, my family timeshared a coop dacha with a couple of other families and I’d hang out with their kids.
We only had a black and white TV though, even in the late 80s. And there weren’t a lot of shows to watch. But my parents got me reading at an early age, and I ended up loving sci-fi which is still my fav genre today.
There wasn’t any consumerism, and no ads blasted in your face. You didn’t buy stuff often, and things like clothing or gadgets all the time. Stuff was generally meant to last. There were no malls really either. There were a lot of parks though, and my parents really liked going for walks. So it’s another habit I’m glad I developed.
School was pretty intense. You had to juggle a bunch of subjects, and that was pretty tough.
Otherwise, life is just life.
First part of this is something I think the Soviets truly got right, city planning. Huge shame it was maligned after all the public run services were thrown to the dogs so the intertwined housing blocks then became increasingly shit.
It’s kind of funny how the whole 15 minute city idea that people keep talking about has been right there this whole time. Incidentally, China structures cities very much in a similar way as well. Everything is walkable there.
This literally just reads like what I hope my retirement will look like. I’m done with this consumerist hell. I just want some peace and hopefully my friends in close vicinity so we can visit each other and cook/bake things that we share over a cup of tea
Indeed, capitalist society has a drive to monetize every human interaction, and that’s just fucked. We need places to just hang out and be ourselves without being expected to constantly buy shit.
Of course an affluent Russian family would remember USSR childhood foundly lol.
(Oh, sorry, no, it was called “lucky”, not “affluent”).
It was literal labour benefit vacation in state owned or coop resorts for which most of workforce was legible, which you would know if you actually read that one line instead of fixating over the word “dacha” like the pavlov’s dog fed on anticommunist propaganda.
And if you knew how to read both comments and statistics, you’d be able to tell that in the 80’s access to coop dachas had… What, from 3 m in 1970’s to 8 million families by the end of 80s - So about 5-12% of population? (Source: T.G. Nefedova’s 2012 article “Gorozhane i dachi”)
But no, instead you focus on your imagination that I must’ve mean luxury villas like in the 50s?
You clearly do, since from my memory (granted, from Poland, not USSR) i never met any worker or worker children who was not going to vacations yearly before 1989. So either Poland was vastly better than USSR or your article is shit, or the definition of “dacha” and “vacations” vastly vary.
Lmao. I didnt see it so it didnt happen. The essence of every ml defender here
Coop dachas for the whole family
=/=
Kolonie za PRL only for children
FWP peaked at 4m adults yearly (including partial refinancing) in the early 80s.
It is true to almost every kid during PRL was able to participate in some form of vacation. Please note that most were at the level lower than coop dachas, mostly tents, schools etc, and it was only partially refinanced.
Sounds more like the time you grew up in and less about where you grew up.
You could be describing my childhood in canada
Likely yeah, my family moved around a lot after the collapse. And that’s the main thing I noticed, people aren’t that different wherever you go. We all have the same needs and drives. We hang out with friends, do stuff to pass the time, go to school, work, etc. But there are some important differences that come from having guarantees in life. For example, nobody in USSR worried about losing their job and ending up on the street or not being able to retire in dignity. These were a category of thoughts that simply didn’t exist because these were considered to be inalienable human rights. Today, living in Canada, I always have the thought of what will happen if I lose my job in the back of my mind. It’s an ever present worry hanging over you. You can be making good money, and like you work, and then the company you work for could go out of business, or you can get laid off because some a spreadsheet didn’t line up the way investors want. I’d give anything to have the guarantees my parents had back in the Soviet days.
That gives me a much more meaningful idea of what you experienced. Thanks for doing that
Great, good for you. I grew up in one of USSR satellite states, and it sucked balls.
Poverty was widespread, and if you dared to complain you were disappeared.
Surprisingly, my life is not that bad now. If anything, I wish USSR had fallen sooner.
You said in other post that you grew up in post-communist country. Stop lying.
Tbf, pretty much all Soviet satellite states were/are post communist states.
But if they grew up in a post communist state their experience about USSR doesn’t hold, they didn’t live during USSR, they lived after it.
Lol. You weren’t even born when the USSR fell
Ah yes, the good old, fuck you I got mine. The fall of USSR meant that millions of people had their lives destroyed. But little scumbag here is doing fine.
bro dont comment on these communities. it’s no use. nobody here listend to reason. i also agree that capitalism is bad, but is capitalism under a red flag and dictatorship really better?
We aren’t talking about Japan or Denmark, but the USSR, which was socialist and democratic.