You dont have time to produce proof? Or are you so into believing whatever the western chauvinist capitalist imperialist media tells you?
There is unjust prosecution of minorities? sure. Like every other state.
Is there a genocide? no proof whatsoever and never ever compare it with whats going on in palestine, that would be real genocide denial
The Arab League nations also deny Palestinians asylum and barely did anything against the Gaza genocide. Why do you think they are even credible on Xinjiang when they often don’t give a shit about other muslims?
Why do you believe state owned media on a genocide perpetrated by the state? That’s like cops investigating themselves and finding no fault.
Also “western media” is a huge spectrum of sources not limited to one source. When you check places like Grayzone or WSWS they are like “We asked China and they said no.”
And my sources speak of a genocide in Gaza and apartheid by Israel and still don’t deny genocides perpetrated by states you buttkiss because you think they are socialist when they are in fact more capitalist than some western states.
I despise the revisionist CPC so dont do projection here but your hate for China comes from racism and their historical stance against west or pursuing sovereignty, it has nothing to do with who they prosecute. I do not trust most western media, I wont until they are explicitly anti zionist anti rich.
Sure make up shit when you lose an argument. I hate the Chinese government but love some aspects of Chinese culture such as Chinese opera and Fuzhounese cuisine. But for that I can go to Taiwan, Singapore or Penang.
Calling people racist for not trusting government sources on the genocide the very same government is committing just makes you sound like a clown.
Also “anti rich”. China has a capitalist class and billionaires. 🤡
Only state that had a largely worker owned economy and less capitalism was Yugoslavia. Even Republican Catalonia was far closer to socialism than China has ever been.
People gave you articles that name Independent sources. You just are unwilling to accept any sources that arent in line with Chinese government sources.
And it is pretty obvious that a genocide denier that shills for a corrupt state capitalist regime supports it. Like you are fooling no one. You arent as smart as you think you are.
Also no matter how many red aethetics a state throws out, it doesn’t make them more socialist. A state owning mean of productions doesn’t mean anything when only party elites decide stuff. Workers had little to no say in most “real existing socialist states” and boards of executives were basically just replaced by party elites. Due to the mode of economy mirroring capitalism in many ways is why it is called state capitalism. Just because something calls itself socialist or democratic or for the people doesn’t mean it’s true and it is naive to believe that someone is socialist just because they say so. Socialism requires worker ownership of the MOP, not a representative or elite like a capitalist entrepreneur or a state representative. And when you posted about North Korea in another group, North Korea is just a straight up hereditary monarchy that calls itself socialist.
This guy tricked China into letting him tour the camps, saying he wanted to see if western media was lying, then he came back and says they’re putting people in concentration camps for praying, or being Muslim:
Concentration camps != Extermination camps.
The nazis had both. They also did forced sterilization in those camps. But the latter camps also had gas chambers.
The US interned American Natives / American Indians and Japanese people in concentration camps. At least for the former group, they also carried out forced sterilization, settled and exploited their land, and stole their children away for “re-education”. They did not build gas chambers or any other means of industrial slaughter, but few people would deny that the US committed genocide against the Native population of that continent.
It’s well documented that contraception, sterilization, and possibly abortion, are forced upon the Uyghur people in Xinjiang. Uyghur people but not Han Chinese are being interned in concentration camps in, at the time, the “largest mass incarceration of an ethnic-religious minority since second world war” (Guardian, 2019). Uyghur children are being transfered to boarding schools against the will of their parents and guardians, or because those have been interned for having too many children in the first place. Multiple Chinese government officials have repeatedly affirmed the goal of reducing Uyghur fertility. At a minimum, this constitutes 3 out of the 5 possible criteria for a genocide, each of which alone is sufficient to make that accusation. We have not yet seen mass killing of Uyghurs, but that doesn’t mean there’s no genocide. As has been said in this discussion: “We know what genocide looks like.” Exactly: It commonly looks quite like this.
Goal of reducing fertility isnt inherently wrong if it is done through education and awareness, I also support anti religious campaign through those methods.
You dont have time to produce proof? Or are you so into believing whatever the western chauvinist capitalist imperialist media tells you?
There is unjust prosecution of minorities? sure. Like every other state. Is there a genocide? no proof whatsoever and never ever compare it with whats going on in palestine, that would be real genocide denial
The Arab League nations also deny Palestinians asylum and barely did anything against the Gaza genocide. Why do you think they are even credible on Xinjiang when they often don’t give a shit about other muslims?
why do you think western sources on China are credible when they either openly support israel or are silent on it?
Why do you believe state owned media on a genocide perpetrated by the state? That’s like cops investigating themselves and finding no fault.
Also “western media” is a huge spectrum of sources not limited to one source. When you check places like Grayzone or WSWS they are like “We asked China and they said no.”
And my sources speak of a genocide in Gaza and apartheid by Israel and still don’t deny genocides perpetrated by states you buttkiss because you think they are socialist when they are in fact more capitalist than some western states.
I despise the revisionist CPC so dont do projection here but your hate for China comes from racism and their historical stance against west or pursuing sovereignty, it has nothing to do with who they prosecute. I do not trust most western media, I wont until they are explicitly anti zionist anti rich.
Sure make up shit when you lose an argument. I hate the Chinese government but love some aspects of Chinese culture such as Chinese opera and Fuzhounese cuisine. But for that I can go to Taiwan, Singapore or Penang.
Calling people racist for not trusting government sources on the genocide the very same government is committing just makes you sound like a clown.
Also “anti rich”. China has a capitalist class and billionaires. 🤡
Only state that had a largely worker owned economy and less capitalism was Yugoslavia. Even Republican Catalonia was far closer to socialism than China has ever been.
there is no empirical evidence of this by any independent source.
Why do you assume I support China?
China was fairly socialist under mao, so was soviet union, cuba, HCM’s vietnam, etc.
People gave you articles that name Independent sources. You just are unwilling to accept any sources that arent in line with Chinese government sources.
And it is pretty obvious that a genocide denier that shills for a corrupt state capitalist regime supports it. Like you are fooling no one. You arent as smart as you think you are.
Also no matter how many red aethetics a state throws out, it doesn’t make them more socialist. A state owning mean of productions doesn’t mean anything when only party elites decide stuff. Workers had little to no say in most “real existing socialist states” and boards of executives were basically just replaced by party elites. Due to the mode of economy mirroring capitalism in many ways is why it is called state capitalism. Just because something calls itself socialist or democratic or for the people doesn’t mean it’s true and it is naive to believe that someone is socialist just because they say so. Socialism requires worker ownership of the MOP, not a representative or elite like a capitalist entrepreneur or a state representative. And when you posted about North Korea in another group, North Korea is just a straight up hereditary monarchy that calls itself socialist.
I have a better time smashing my face into a brick wall and in the end the brick wall has a better chance of changing their minds.
Peace out genocide denialist!
peace out chauvinist. free palestine fuck israel
Fuck Israel indeed.
Fuck Russia and China for being no better too.
“Russia and China are no better than Israel” yeah this is a zionist take
Last time I checked Russia was an ally of Israel and China had normal relations with Israel
Same could be said about ukraine and all other european nations. I consider all of them to be better than israel
This guy tricked China into letting him tour the camps, saying he wanted to see if western media was lying, then he came back and says they’re putting people in concentration camps for praying, or being Muslim:
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.5369163
Other states aren’t doing this, don’t normalize this please.
“tricked” the fucking CPC? lol.
you are doing holocaust denial by calling them concentration camps without any empirical evidence
Concentration camps != Extermination camps. The nazis had both. They also did forced sterilization in those camps. But the latter camps also had gas chambers.
The US interned American Natives / American Indians and Japanese people in concentration camps. At least for the former group, they also carried out forced sterilization, settled and exploited their land, and stole their children away for “re-education”. They did not build gas chambers or any other means of industrial slaughter, but few people would deny that the US committed genocide against the Native population of that continent.
It’s well documented that contraception, sterilization, and possibly abortion, are forced upon the Uyghur people in Xinjiang. Uyghur people but not Han Chinese are being interned in concentration camps in, at the time, the “largest mass incarceration of an ethnic-religious minority since second world war” (Guardian, 2019). Uyghur children are being transfered to boarding schools against the will of their parents and guardians, or because those have been interned for having too many children in the first place. Multiple Chinese government officials have repeatedly affirmed the goal of reducing Uyghur fertility. At a minimum, this constitutes 3 out of the 5 possible criteria for a genocide, each of which alone is sufficient to make that accusation. We have not yet seen mass killing of Uyghurs, but that doesn’t mean there’s no genocide. As has been said in this discussion: “We know what genocide looks like.” Exactly: It commonly looks quite like this.
Sources:
lol.
ok.
ok.
Goal of reducing fertility isnt inherently wrong if it is done through education and awareness, I also support anti religious campaign through those methods.
Dude fucking lays it out for you and you still can’t fucking see it. Jesus fucking christ, shake your head a bit.
There’s 700+ sources cited in the Amnesty International report, good luck discrediting every single one of them:
https://www.amnesty.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Amnesty-International_China-Report_FINAL.pdf
Well yes, he appears to have successfully tricked the CPC.