• EmmiLime@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    neonazi problem Ukraine has?

    The neonazi problem that is the government of Ukraine and is stuffing Ukranian men into vans to be sent to the meat grinder?

    Because Russia is not doing that.

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      Russia has absolutely been throwing young men into the meat grinder. Hold Ukraine responsible sure but don’t lie.

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        Is it combing the country with kidnapping squads to force terrified fathers and sons into vans?

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      I don’t know what you’re thinking you’re doing here. My response was referring to the “toleration” of nazi groupings in the Ukrainian army, saying that yes in fact neonazis are a general problem in this war because the Russian army also “tolerates” nazis in its ranks.

      You’re responding to that by diluting the issue to something else completely, and changing the subject to “recruitment” tactics and the devaluing of the lives of soldiers.

      That’s quite a bizarre way to change the subject from nazis operating in the open in the Ukrainian and the Russian armies. I guess it’s rhetorically “effective” because now I’m supposed to respond to this other thing but it’s frankly dishonest and it’s hushing up the neonazi issue. Enjoy your upvotes I guess.

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        You dummy, if both sides have a neo-nazi problem, then the side that has neo-nazi as their government AND as the military branch (AZOV) is the much, much more serious problem to worry about. Especially if that neo-nazi government and military is being aided by western powers.

        Oh, aided by western powers who also aid “Israel” in their genocidal quest of eradicating Palestine? Zelensky also said he wants Ukraine to be the “Israel” of Europe btw.

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          So certain strands of campist so-called anti-imperialist discourse have actually reached the point of stooping as low as using NATO’s support for the genocidal Israeli apartheid regime to whitewash putinism as “the lesser evil”. Fascinating. You fantasize yourself an ML while parotting anti-intellectual bullshit (no, the Ukrainian government is not …neonazi, words do have actual fucking meanings) while swallowing whole the Rusich and other Wagner nazis.

          Yup, I am a dummy. I should have fucked off from this stupid thread earlier. Cheerio.

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            so-called anti-imperialist discourse have actually reached the point of stooping as low as using NATO’s support for the genocidal Israeli apartheid regime to whitewash putinism as “the lesser evil”

            hahaha holy fuck. Yea do fuck off and don’t forget to pick up your mask that you dropped.

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              Sure buddy. But I never wore a mask. It’s always nice however to see the fake “Marxist Leninist” mask slip off of confident campists like you to reveal the social chauvinism that Lenin spent so much energy demolishing. 100 years ago your social chaunivistic ilk was voting to “critically support” the Kaiser’s meatgrinder while making up excuses about the British and French imperialists. Only they at least fantasized social democracy while you only have Wagner’s boots to lick.

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                Sure buddy. But I never wore a mask.

                Yeah I believe you.

                fake “Marxist Leninist” mask slip off

                Tell me, what is the correct ML position then?

                Also campism is a meaningless word. I don’t support Russia uncritically but I do support it for its anti-imperialist role. If anything it seems like “campism” fits you pretty well, no?

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                  Russia has no anti-imperialist role. Russian capital exports influence wherever it can, it’s just a smaller player than the US/NATO bloc. Or are you going to make the case that Imperial Germany also had an anti-imperialist role?

                  The correct Leninist position is revolutionary fucking defeatism. The Americans should lose in Iran, Israel should lose in the Levant, France should lose in the Sahel, Russia should lose in Ukraine. I mean fuck, I’m no dengist, but nobody can deny that the Chinese are playing this game beautifully for fucks sake, keep feeding the fuckers rope to hang themselves.

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                    The correct Leninist perspective should be a swift end to the war, which means Ukraine surrenders as soon as possible. Russia is not an imperialist power. It has a strong nationalist bourgeoisie, but no ability to export capital on the global stage in any real capacity. It’s stuck at the phase of monopoly national capitalism, which results in contradictions sharpening within Russia as they cannot export those contradictions to the global south.

                    Russia has legitimate security interests in not wanting NATO dogs at their doorstep with missiles pointed straight at them. Ukraine had the ability to make peace long ago and refuse to be a part of an escalating imperialist encirclement of Russia, but it chose to be the Israel of Europe (minus the settler-colonialism).

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                100 years ago your social chaunivistic ilk was voting to “critically support” the Kaiser’s meatgrinder

                Actually 100 years ago communists were calling for an immediate end to WW1, and Russian Bolsheviks organized against Russia’s participation in the war, while American liberals were sending Eugene Debs to prison for opposing western involvement. Also, I’ve never met a person who used the word “ilk” who didn’t take themselves way too seriously.

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        If you’re not already banned you soon will be. You’re not allowed to question Russian propaganda on communities that end in .ml

        They always “claim” to be progressive and good. But immediately ban anyone who points out facts.