The way you use LGBT is uncanny, feels half way to a slur the same way Rush Limbaugh would say “Democrat party”. Try calling us LGBT people because whatever the fuck you are saying feels off, very wrong. Like you have a lot to say about LGBT people but you can’t even address us correctly

What the fuck are you even on about? You’re offended I can’t tell if it’s a noun or an adjective? Fucking seriously?

Like, let’s just lay it out at a very high level: LGBT people, like everyone, are weird. Unlike most other weirdness they’re organized and vocal about their weirdness

You should just stop. Everything you are saying ja borderline offensive. Maybe you didn’t mean any offense but you need to spend more time with actual queer people before you write five paragraph essays about what we deal with because you clearly don’t have a clue

Right, they’re special snowflakes who have to be treated like little saints with sole monolithic trait of gayness, rather than normal weirdos with their own interests. Why would they be like everyone else? Transphobic! Fuck off.

You can straight up get fucked for this take. Trans people bear no responsibility or accountability for the hate and political persecution we are subjected to.

We have no agency and bare no responsibility! Fuck anyone who acknowledges our agency in our own live and how our decisions might have bettered our lives. Now in fairness you did say no responsibility for the hate and persecution, and I actually agree with that (I still think you’re an asshole), but I also didn’t say you were responsible. In fact I was rather explicit about the LGBT community not being initial aggressors, so this attack to be comes off more as you complaining that I acknowledged that the LGBT community can play politics (and play them rather well based off the aggression in this comment section). Wild thing to complain about, but you’re an asshole so why would you complain about something reasonable.

Our lives and information about us isn’t political.

Haha, oh you were serious? Let me laugh harder: hahahahaha. You’re community literally chose the most eye catching flag imaginable and has literal parades to get attention and build support. We’re not political, ha ha ha. As if.

We do not need to hide or censor information about trans people just because a bunch of childish bullies are making a scene about it.

I guess you can’t see how classifying someone posting only about trans people as political (not even as a criticism) is different than telling people to avoid ever posting about trans people?

You got vibes where you pretend to be a supporter of the LGBT community but then always find ways to take transphobic positions for allegedly not transphobic reasons.

I advocated, but I didn’t do it in the right way or without nuance, so fuck me. You don’t need allies like that.

. I’m sure it’s just that you don’t like politics, or incivility, or things that are disruptive. It just so happens queer lives have been made political by our adversaries, the bullying we are subjected to is disruptive, and we can be incredibly rude when we get mad about all of this, so you’ll always side against us.

No, I’m still on your side. Well, not you specifically. You’re an asshole who’s effectively burning my account. Fuck you. But trans folks more generally are fine, and should be treated like anyone else.

Your comment was so long tripping over itself with squirrely qualifying language but you basically said: “Tr***ies are weird and controversial, and need to chill out and hide themselves my convenience. For me the most frustrating thing about the persecution and harrasment they face is how it could potentially disrupt my Internet communities. And these weird MFers know they are political too”

Transies are just as weird as anyone else. The ones around here definitely need to chill the fuck out, and a lot of the internet ones maybe need to have multiple nuanced interests that don’t revolve around one topic. The most frustrating thing about the persecution and harassment they currently face is a lack of broader perspective for both wider society and history by their critics in the tamer portion of society – suburban republicans who see them being loud and political thinking “how dare they push their views on me, I’ve never seen them persecuted, there’s no reason for this” rather than understanding the historical context and persistent persecution in other contexts that they still face.

God, I want to tell you off because I really don’t like you, but also I have to make the arguments you should be making because I’m largely on your side. Seriously, fuck you. I honestly want to support trans people by explaining this shit to people from background who don’t see it, but they’re gonna see this argument and think well this guy supports them and they’re still assholes. Real productive. I’m sure this will convince everyone.

Id like to think you are a misguided ally who needs to shut up and listen the way you put “build allies” in quotes really does not leave a good taste in my nouth

I’d like to think you’ve just never talked to anyone who wasn’t constantly surrounded by radical gay space tankies, but given the current state of the world that’s a bit hard to believe and it seems far more likely that you’re just an ass.

The LGBT community works very hard to “build allies” (make disliking their weirdness socially taboo)

Like wtf that’s a weird and uncanny way to say it

Right why try to frame thing in multiple ways? that’ll never build allies. Speak in your own terms and never try to appeal to perspectives who might not have experience with our community.

Honestly, I hate to admit it but this is probably your best criticism of me. I was speaking the way I speak to normal people in my community who are wary of trans people, but my audience was gay space tankies who clearly took offense. You’re still an asshole.

if nothing else @[email protected] is very clearly a very political account who probably shouldn’t be posting on mander in the first place.

Oh yeah now we’re on to straight up unfiltered transphobia where any trans person who doesn’t try to hide their identity is political. And politcal is bad and trans is political so we should ban trans people posting trans sciencr from the science community. But it’s not because trans people are banned, just politics wink wink

I think I already mentioned there’s a difference between an account that exclusively posts about trans stuff and an account that sometimes post about trans stuff – one is clearly political, and it’s ridiculous to pretend otherwise. Did I say it was bad to be political? I do think it’s bad to be political, but I generally reserve that view with LGBT people since they have legitimate reasons to be political – I’m pretty sure I pointed out those reasons.

Honestly the bigger reason you shouldn’t post trans arguments in science communities is because it kinda undermines the arguments. Trans rights should be supported because they’re people, not because “gender is a spectrum”. There’s actually a decent amount of debate that can be had about the underlying definition of “gender” that ultimately just doesn’t fucking matter. Like, you could argue that gendered pheno-morphisms are the core of gender and since those are a spectrum, gender is a spectrum, thus trans people are “natural”. I think that’s bad argument to make. Worker bees and queen bees are radically different phenomorphs for female bees, so why would phenomorphisms define gender? It seems pretty obvious that the genotype defines gender. Some people would argue that a genotype phenotype mismatch is unnatural, so trans people are bad, but personally I think that’s shit argument because polio is natural so nature is a bit shit - who cares what’s natural? Trans people are people, so they should be treated with the basic dignity and respect that all people deserve. Unless they’re asshole to me on the internet, then fuck em.

Like you can 100% get fucked if you think a trans person posting about trans issues is political

Ignore what your ears and eyes and common sense tell you. Trans people posting soley about being trans it totally normal and well adjusted behavior. Honestly, I don’t see why it being political matters. Aside from the tribalism that is almost certainly not good for your mental health (that’s the not normal or well adjusted part the tribalism not the trans, I know you were gonna try to put words in my mouth), politics is kinda a thing and the LGBT community is doing politics in one of the more sensible ways to do politics, so it’s not really a criticism to say it’s political.

I mean you posting about me being transphobic for not siding with you hard enough is a shit way of doing politics, and there’s definitely the temptation to turn against your whole group because one of you was mean to me on the internet, but I’m not a complete child – of course I’m not gonna be a complete adult about it either: Fuck you.