In short
I got a reply from a prolific anti-vegan troll and referred them back to an earlier conversation we had. Got banned for “harassment” and “following someone around” when in fact they replied to me and keep following vegans around when they post against anti-vegan propaganda.
The 14-day ban and comment removals by @[email protected]: https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog/45638?page=1&actionType=All&modId=6106918&userId=18352111
And the posts in question:
The comments when I posted them rendered as
Oh hey its you
The link is to a discussion which expanded is this here (The link goes to the comment with the highlighted star):
With background
The person in question is a very dedicated anti-vegan troll who is known to make non-sequitur claims as replies to vegans, in the hopes of roping then into a defensive position under the guise of “debate”.
To exemplify this I engaged with them a couple months ago and got a perfect showcase of their behaviour. I had never used this and have never replied to them since then (at least I don’t remember that I have and searching didn’t turn anything up). But then when they replied to me yesterday I did. And got promptly banned for “harassment” and “following someone around”. I messaged the mod who banned me to no reply.
Their behaviour is being enabled by lemmy.world mods like @[email protected] who will readily delete comments made by vegans should they dare step a foot outside of the norms of “civilized debate”, like e.g. in the same thread (1) and (2). The petulant and incessant trolling by them is of course never subject to such moderation actions.
To any vegan comrades, do not engage this troll, you risk getting banned and your comments deleted.
Apparently I used wrong account to post this. Will have to switch accounts to my blahaj account on occasion to reply to comments, apologies.
Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.
FYI It’s not appropriate to use this comm to target a user who has not taken mod actions against you. Please edit your post accordingly. If you wish to report a user, you can do so using the normal channels. This comm is specifically for complaining about power tripping mods/admins.
However, if you feel mods have not taken appropriate action against a reported user, in your opinion, then you can complain about those mods here, preferably without identifying the user in question. In that case, please make sure you explain what mod actions you feel would be more appropriate, so we can have that discussion.
This is about the comment removal and ban by @[email protected]. Well more the reason for it, I have received many ridiculous bans before, for longer times even, but accusing me of “harassment” and “following someone around” in the modlog where I can’t reply is fairly egregious.
I felt this much context was necessary to show why I remembered (and even bookmarked) a discussion I had with the person months ago. It is pretty hard to show that I am not stalking someone so I went with adding as much context as possible.
I agree that the focus very much gets pulled from the mod and to the other user, but this is at it’s core about the accusations that got put in the modlog, so that at least I have noted a defense for it while it’s still fresh. Since these modlog accusations tend to compound like for e.g. another ban I received for calling out Germany’s complicity in the Palestinian genocide citing all the other bans I had received.
It is also to call out the double standard in moderation where this user seems to never be at the receiving end of mod actions despite (rather obviously imo) engaging in bad faith behaviour.
I’ll trim it down, please have a look again in 5 minutes. I don’t think anonymizing the other party will be possible however since my comment is in direct reply to them, even references a discussion I had with them and ultimately it is an accusation that I’m “following them around”. Very hard to talk about while completely omitting who “they” are.
Ok I think that’s fair enough, thanks.
PTB. Remembering someone and linking back to an earlier conversation is hardly stalking or harassment, particularly if it’s on a similar topic. It’s natural to start recognizing the usernames of people that engage in the same spaces as you on a platform as small as Lemmy. And as you pointed out, they replied to your comment, so if anything it would have been them following you around. And while I could see people finding this argument annoying, it’s certainly still civil. No one should have been subject to mod action here imo.
this troll shows up on every thread about veganism and actively encourages people to download the fucking burger king app of all things, honestly pathetic.
It seems like commie is less about anti-veganism and more about anti-poorly-formed-arguments.
It seems to me they are more about JAQing off to their own perceived intelligence.
everything I said was true. I don’t think I actually asked any questions (the q in jaq).
That’s the raw high grade pedantry I miss from reddit.
It’s clear your very passionate. But your coming across as combative and looking for a fight.
Oh no why won’t the corpsemunchers like me 😢
REALLY looking for a fight.
As someone who has often dipped my toes into this very debate - most people are not looking for a actual discussion - they just want to win. I think this includes you too
No source is ever good enough, no proof ever strict enough etc.
If only there were people who had standards for the evidence they will consider… https://hackertalks.com/post/15439661
That was in direct reply to “Which is probably why no one cares about outspoken vegans”. This is a classic blindspot for many nonvegans where the ridicule and rude dismissal of vegans is so normalized it doesn’t track as offensive.
Imagine someone saying “that’s why no one cares about outspoken anti-trump activists”, I think a clapback along the lines of “oh no why won’t the fascists like me 😢” would read quite differently to other antifascists than to the fascists who would certainly see it as the replier provoking and not the other way around.
And no, my point isn’t to “win” a debate, which is why I rarely engage in debating behavior. I want to push back against popaganda, to make vegan voices heard and to not leave carnist propaganda unchallenged.
So insulting a entire demographic of people is fine so long as one of them offended you first? That is why your coming off as combative.
As someone who wants to talk about the benefits of a zero carb diet (carnivore), I’ve been called many nasty things along these lines… they are rhetorical tools used in anger when argument arent available (either due to emotion or attempting to “win”)
And no, my point isn’t to “win” a debate, which is why I rarely engage in debating behavior. I want to push back against popaganda, to make vegan voices heard and to not leave carnist propaganda unchallenged.
Great, I invite you to make a post in [email protected] to educate us on our propaganda problems (as long as you can engage in polite productive discussions suitable for a work environment)
What about insulting an entire demographic without even being prompted? That’s the double standard I am talking about here. That somehow always goes unmentioned, unchallenged unless a vegan responds in kind.
Thats the point to these “insults”, to push back against this language in a way that won’t have us limited by “rational, civilized” discourse while the antivegans are allowed to run roughshod with insults and jokes about us. It is an uneven playfield and the rules work against us, so I won’t play by them. An added bonus is of course that the “shocked and appalled” reactions give great opportunity to show the inherent antivegan bias in standard discourse like I am doing now or you can witness in the comment chain directly below said comment.
There is a reason to the madness and it’s not just for self-gratification 😄
What about insulting an entire demographic without even being prompted?
Eye for an eye leaves the world blind.
limited by “rational, civilized” discourse while the antivegans are allowed to run roughshod with insults and jokes about us.
There are 75, SEVENTY FIVE, vegan communities on lemmy last I checked, there is no lack of representation.
It is an uneven playfield and the rules work against us, so I won’t play by them.
Right, so you just want to fight, and break community rules and that is why the ban is YDI.
Look at the standard lemmy feed or comment section and tell me that there is vegan overpresentation. There is much higher vegan representation on lemmy than usual which is probably why it seems like there is, but the standard jokes and insults still get played out to a regular degree.
Right, so you just want to fight, and break community rules and that is why the ban is YDI.
Not what I said. I want to (among other things) point out the inherent antivegan bias in standard discourse and one tool to demonstrate it is returning some of the language directed at us. I am not looking for a fight for the sake of fighting (edit: and would say I’m not the one instigating it) and I have no intention of breaking community rules. Furthermore none of this adds up to stalker behavior, the main allegation against me.
There is much higher vegan representation on lemmy than usual which is probably why it seems like there is, but the standard jokes and insults still get played out to a regular degree.
I would like to point out you have been joking and insulting me in your other comments(not responding to me directly), yet I don’t reciprocate.
inherent antivegan bias in standard discourse
Honestly, I feel this. Zero Carb gets the SAD people, the Omnivores, and the pbf people taking shots at you… So i understand what its like to have a niche opinion that gets immediately criticized.
wrong acc again
Pointing out that a person was an annoying shithead in a previous conversation about a related topic (and tries to do so again) shouldnt get you banned. But the way you worded it in the removed comment really makes it easy to misunderstand your intent. Did you try to talk about this with the mods before posting here? I think it could be genuine mistake / misunderstanding of the situation.
I did, got no reply
It’s only been a day. Some people have lives and work.
Guys posts valid opinions in a threat about veganism, notably NOT in a vegan community. Then you get all stalkery for now reason. If you can’t deal with opposing opinion in neutral spaces, block and move on.
YDI.
How did I stalk them? What behaviour of mine constitutes stalking? They replied to me first. To my recollection I never initiated an interaction with them.
You literally just dug up 2 year old comments to make your point …
Yeah while researching for this post… Meaning I dug into their past posts after I got accused of stalking in order to better showcase their behaviour to an audience that isn’t familiar with them. What behaviour made the accusation of stalking and ban for it appropriate?
edit:
also they encourage digging into their past to look at how long they’ve been doing this, on the same comment:
… i do encourage you to sort my comments by old.
i have been objecting to your feckless method of protecting teh environment for years.
