New details emerge about extreme measures used by British soldiers to support a Gulf autocrat

Previously secret military files reveal links between the use of torture by British forces in Oman and Northern Ireland during the 1970s.

    • deHaga@feddit.ukEnglish
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      11 days ago

      When Britain used torture to control the Strait of Hormuz

      The headline is wrong. They used interrogation techniques.

      • huf [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        11 days ago

        oh wow, you’re going with the “enhanced interrogation” bullshit? how’s it feel to be a torture defender?

            • deHaga@feddit.ukEnglish
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              11 days ago

              Quote me where I defended anything. It was not considered torture at the time.

              • huf [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                11 days ago

                by the legal experts of the UK. who are irrelevant for determining what is torture in reality. this is you defending torture.

                • deHaga@feddit.ukEnglish
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                  11 days ago

                  The 5 Techniques were used for ~8 years until 1972 when they were banned.

                  The UN classified techniques like these as torture in 1984.

                  Again, please point out where I defended it.

                  • huf [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                    11 days ago

                    you’re still doing it. nobody but you is talking about the legality, can you get that through your head?

                    this is what you’re calling not torture:

                    Declassified has previously found that while one member of the Shihuh tribe was being questioned, he refused to give up his ceremonial dagger and was shot in the arm, shoulder, and neck.

                    and this:

                    They were subjected to now banned methods of torture which involve sensory deprivation, such as completely covering someone’s head with a sack and bombarding them with noise.

                    and this:

                    They did this by forcing the Shihuh detainees into unnatural stress positions against walls, hooding their faces and subjected them to an “electronic noise machine” – the first use of its kind.

                    and this:

                    The unit’s methods were so extreme that a report written by military psychiatrists warned interrogation subjects could suffer “hysterical” dissociations, terror, delusions and suicidal ideation – even in training scenarios.

                    do you think the torturers didnt know that it was wrong to torture? that they needed the courts to tell them that torture is wrong? do you think the state which then promoted these torturers and put them in charge of more torture was unaware of the torture?

      • nohaybanda [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        11 days ago

        The Roman Inquisition used torture as an interrogation technique. Those are overlapping categories and can both apply to the same thing separately. And I sincerely doubt that it’s autism that’s giving you so much trouble here

        • deHaga@feddit.ukEnglish
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          The 5 Techniques were standard British military interrogation methods. There was public outcry after they were used in Northern Ireland in the 70s and were then banned and made illegal.

          They were then reclassified as torture by the echr in 1976. That was appealed, successfully, and classified as not torture in 1978

          The UN classified them as torture in 1984.

          So, the UK did not use torture to control the strait of Hormuz, but did use those techniques illegally in Northern Ireland.