• gurty@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Agreed. People should dislike modern Star Trek for it’s bad writing, not because it’s progressive.

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      2 months ago

      The best progressive writing Trek did was when they addressed a social issue by having the actors pretend it wasn’t an issue at all.

      Uhura was a bridge officer who was a black woman, and nobody cared or even noticed because in-universe there was nothing special about that.

      • James R Kirk@startrek.website
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        2 months ago

        I like how in Discovery a character came out as non-binary and everyone is like “ok cool” and that was that and it was never brought up again (because why would it be)?

        You can tell by the absolute meltdown conservative spaces had about that five second clip that it was absolutely the right thing to do.

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          2 months ago

          It got there, sure, but that coming out was a bit rough, because they treated it as a “big deal”, they were afraid of coming out and ultimately did, but seemed to harbor anxiety that should have not had a place anymore. They got over it (I assume, I actually kind of lost track of Discovery), but at one point it was too big a deal.

          Also, out of universe, they were a bit annoying about bragging about being the first non-binary representation in Star Trek ever, which just seems disrepectful of the times it came up before.

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            1 month ago

            It would be a big deal for someone to only come out as nonbinary when they’re old enough to be an ensign on a starship. How many times in high school did they say “No, I’m not nonbinary, I’m just a girl”? How many times did they insist to their parents on getting a girly thing because they wanted to fit in with a feminine friend group?

            Social anxiety is always a valid emotion, even if you know the society is progressive enough that it isn’t really a big deal.

    • Glytch@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Trek writing has never been consistently good. Half of TOS is unwatchably bad. TNG sucks until Riker gets more hair. DS9 sucks until Sisko gets less hair. Voyager’s all over the place (even though it’s my favorite). Enterprise is mostly bad. Only the even numbered TOS movies are good. Only the first two TNG movies are good.

      I say this with a genuine love of Star Trek, but the quality of the writing has varied greatly over each individual series.