calls for UK to rejoin EU
He is not wrong about this one.
I would prefer Rayner to take over. Or Burnham.
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If somebody is to replace Starmer, I think Burnham is the person to do so. I like Rayner, but Burnham seems to have a resonance that she does not.
Guy who helped sabotage Corbyn by being too pro-EU at the wrong time wants to sink Starmer too.
Starmer should go and they should change the rules to let Burnham lead.
It’s probably too soon to rejoin the EU though, UK needs get it’s shit together or be dissolved first
I don’t see how it’s too early to rejoin, we were already a part of it and leaving was a mistake. Hurry back I say, and devil take the hindmost.
Rejoining is going to be a long process, if we are allowed at all, and it will just make the brexit skisim permanent and help Reform.
That’s not what the statistics say. There’s a reason Nigel no longer mentions Brexit regularly. Because most Brits, even much of the racist bigoted ones or hoodwinked ones that vote for him, see that Brexit was a mistake. They’re living in that mistake.
I dunno. I’m an immigrant, so maybe I just refuse to get it on some level. My citizenship used to give me access to a whole continent, leaving was so painful and benefited only Russia. I’ll never solve the Hellraiser puzzle box of the British voter’s psyche, and maybe I should just be okay with that.
I’m an immigrant too, what makes you stay? Brexit was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me, and I left 2 years after. I figured that if I wasn’t going to be living in my home country, I wasn’t going to deal with the racist fallout of empowered racists post brexit. I moved onto a third country, and I’m doing ok here.
It’s hard enough to immigrate a young child once. If I did it again I don’t know if my kid could cope. Or my wife. I just finished supporting her through optometry school, and that degree only works in so many countries.
Also, before I even entertained moving again I’d have to think of a third country that would have us. And somehow isn’t also doing late stage capitalism bullshit, you know?
I moved my whole family once, and to everyone at home we’re the smart ones who got out. If I moved again it would start to look more habitual than Sybil-sighted. wan smile
Yeah, it makes sense that family life makes moving difficult. Thank you for sharing.
Mandelson’s apprentice goes off the rails without his master. Maul goes it alone!
Anyone involved in Labour Together shoud resign, then wear sackcloth and ashes for the rest of their lives.
I hate to say it, but I don’t think rejoin EU is going to help labour much in an (the next) election. We already have 2 lefter parties that are calling for it, and a right wing party that’s desperate to bleed labour voters away - and ‘they’ll take us back into the eu’ is a battleground they are ready to fight. They’ll lose ultimately, but not before taking a lot of labour voters away on the strength of brexit alone. As for the other way, rejoining the eu isn’t the reason people have been jumping onto the greens from labour, but if labour weren’t saying rejoin, then yes more would go over.
I think the lib dems will just continue to pick up crumbs, a few lost tory voters here, a few wealthier labour voter there, and dissolutioned greens (however innocent zack may be in the boat thing, still has bad optics).
So in my mind its:
Explicitly Rejoin EU:
- fewer voters moving to parties that do offer it
- a tiny, tiny amount returning to labour from the above
- a potentially strategically dengerous level of voters leaving to reform
- nothing labour have done to ‘stop the boats’ or reduce asylum backlog will matter to the above
Vague ‘closer ties’ promise instead:
- getting the argument back to policy will get voters back from reform
- being able to publicise successful border control stats and syl;um backlogs etc will greatly help the above
- not as worrysome as the first - in rejoin, but a significant level of voters leaving for greens and lib dems
- people also more likely to do they above because they really don’t mind the idea of a labour + green or LD coalition
- we don’t actually rejoin. This has to be listed, obviously.
I think, that labour really, really needs to get our borders sorted out and also learn how to get proper information about it properly fed to the public too. The right engineered this situation, and made everyone panic about it. Yes, this country faces plenty of problems, but getting the backlog gone, the millions of pounds a day on hotels gone, and a system that deals with boat crossings quickly and effectively it will show everyone they really can be trusted on immigration. Thing is labour are the sort of muppets that could achieve this and still, somehow, hardly anyone knows they’ve done it, I guess the media don’t help here either. It’s about optics on the situation, they need the results AND the yelling of them from the rooftops.
Then they will be believed when they say the best thing for us, is to rejoin the EU, not just for the economy, but the best thing for our immigration stats too.
I think labour need to do this first, the wind need to be taken out of reforms sails. If labour manage to achieve on the border, reform’s headwind is going to be exposed for the dirty saturday morning wet chilli fart that it is.
Maybe Labour should focus on doing what’s good for the country rather than what’s good for their re-election chances.
Who knows, they might even win votes by publicly prioritizing the country over catering to voters.
Rejoin the EU?! Fucking hell Wes. Do you want to win Labour voters in the north or not? With that type of talk you might as well defect to the Greens. There’s no place for you in Labour.
