• Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    Yes, all weapons from USA are now bought at a 10% surcharge by NATO countries that continue to support Ukraine, and the coalition of the willing.
    USA may help with things that cost them nothing, but as it is now, USA is profiteering extra from it’s allies on weapon deliveries to Ukraine.
    Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.
    USA has been zero help since Trump became president, where USA actually has helped Russia more, for instance allowing them full access to Starlink. Which was finally ended earlier this year.

    Fuck USA!!

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      Yes, all weapons from USA are now bought at a 10% surcharge by NATO

      So no, the US still delivers, they just made the EU pay for it.

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        They made their ‘allies’ pay a 10% surcharge… and then spent the ammunition on a fruitless war with Iran instead. So, no, they are not sending weapons or ammunition any more.

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          It just highlights the dependency on the US. To frame it as if the EU is fighting without the US gives the opposite impression.

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              The US must own major shares in EU weapon manufacturers. They knew the war was coming at the latest when Biden warned about it, but more likely when Russia sent the green men or even earlier. They will get their share.

              The big picture is that China is taking over all markets and the EU is compensating by creating demand. It also creates the opportunity to go to war with China.

              From an American perspective, the more Europe builds its own capacity the better because everything will be needed to fight China.

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              Trick question because I think we are fighting for the US.

              The usual link:

              in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard

              We are past that opportunity but the EU and Russia could have formed an economic union and could have become that challenger.

              Instead China is about to become that challenger. The US cannot isolate China if Russia is delivering all necessary resources. So the US is using the Ukraine war to weaken Russia to change that somehow.

              Buying the weapons is not a problem. Buying government bonds was the way of the EU to finance the US government weapons programs. With tariffs that has shifted to direct purchases.

              So to the EU it looks like we just defend Ukraine. But the big winner is the US because they achieve their long-term goal, which turns the with into a for.

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                  23 hours ago

                  I hope that one day you will realize that there is no vision but only the goal to shape a corporate global community.

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                    I hope that one day you’ll realise that quoting a part of a sentence from a book you only know from Wikipedia and treating that as the undisputed truth, while ignoring all other parts left and right from it that collide with your set-in-stone world view proves nothing more than you don’t believe what you see but rather see what you believe.

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        Just a couple of lines below:

        Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.

        So no, even when profiteering extra from it, USA is unreliable.
        Why are you always like this? Always with something stupid that is clearly false?!?!

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          Deliveries that are now even halted because of the war with Iran.

          Do you have a source for that? They have haltet rockets for the Patriot system because there is a shortage. But there is no general stop like in 2025.

          Recent news are about increased delivery.

          To keep the Ukrainian armed forces supplied for the fight against Russia, NATO allies purchase complex weapons from the US through

          https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/05/21/nato-ministers-meet-as-us-plans-to-pull-away-from-european-security

          1. Mai 2026 The US State Department approved a potential $373.6-million sale of Joint Direct Attack Munition-Extended Range tail kits to Ukraine.

          https://thedefensepost.com/2026/05/06/us-jdam-er-ukraine/

          Why are you always like this? Always with something stupid that is clearly false?!?!

          I think I could demonstrate that it is correct. There are still deliveries. If that makes me look stupid I have to live with it.

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            https://abcnews.com/Politics/zelenskyy-us-moved-20000-missiles-fight-drones-ukraine/story?id=122662585

            US diverting 20,000 missiles promised for Ukraine to the Middle East

            So despite these missiles were already bought and paid for even at a 10% surcharge, Trump and Pentagon decided to not honor the deal.
            There may still be deliveries, but USA has once again shown they are not a trustworthy ally, and they are not even a trustworthy supplier.

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              24 hours ago

              Trump and Pentagon decided to not honor the deal.

              That’s one weapon system. It doesn’t change that the US is still a, or even the major weapon supplyer.

              The rockets were more urgently needed in the middle east. The US can be blamed for many things but that decision is understandable.

              USA has once again shown they are not a trustworthy ally,

              No doubt about that.

              There’s an old saying in Tennessee—I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, ‘Fool me once, shame on…shame on you.’ Fool me—you can’t get fooled again."

              To know the history of the US and to expect to be treated differently than the Philippines is a risky move.

              Furthermore, the EU won’t be stable for long. If Russa and China are eliminated, what will the EU be for the US strategically but a challenger?

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard

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                EU and China are the most stable regions in the world. There is absolutely no chance China will be “eliminated”.
                The Russian federation may collapse, but I can’t see how that would impact EU negatively? Russia has been trying to destabilize Europe for decades, not having that problem anymore, would definitely be an advantage for EU.

                EU has strong cooperation with some of the former Soviet states, the same will probably happen if the Russian federation collapses. Making life a little bit easier for EU, and EU most likely making new friends.

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                  no chance China will be “eliminated”. The Russian federation may collapse

                  Without Russia, the US can shut down China with a naval blockade.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_island_chain

                  The Russian federation may collapse, but I can’t see how that would impact EU negatively?

                  About 2001 Putin offered to create a joined economic zone between EU and Russia but the EU declined. Now the best case scenario would be Russia crumbling, and joining the EU. What’s the difference? Was Russia so corrupt that we couldn’t make it happen, even not with a plan that layed out steps to end the corruption?

                  The US doesn’t accept a challenger in Asia. The US is a naval power that controls the world by controlling the shipping lanes. If the EU would span over Asia no shipping would be needed. The US would lose their power. To prevent that the EU will be destroyed should it have the possibility to achieve that. It could already be happening.

                  https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-hungary-from-eu/a-75134777

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                    About 2001 Putin offered to create a joined economic zone between EU and Russia

                    Putin Offered. 🤣🤣🤣

                    For fucks sake, as if it is up to Russia to “offer” EU to be part of their economic zone. 🤡🤡🤡

                    Goddam you are far gone.

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            There are no longer delivered support between allies, they only now deliver sold products to their customers.