• Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip
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    5 days ago

    “right-wing populist” this fucking white washing. NSDAP 2.0 is more fitting.
    And for the intelligence agency (Verfassungsschutz), they have to do a lot of good work to earn any amount of trust when it comes to anti-fascist work. There main objective for the last 40 years (I’m not sure, new stuff keeps getting out and old stuff gets forgotten) seemed to be to protect and support Neo Nazi groups.

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      seemed to be to protect and support Neo Nazi groups

      You forgot to mention actively helping to build up and financing neo-nazi movements even before then protecting them by sabotaging police investigations and destroying files (see: Thüringer Heimatschutz/Tino Brandt and the involvement in creating the NSU).

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      I think you’re overstating something. You’re right about the well documented history of serious failures regarding far right extremism. That includes mishandled informants, destroyed files after the NSU was uncovered, and failures that allowed neo Nazi networks to persist and even thrive. Those are established facts.

      But there is no credible evidence that the primary objective of the institution over the past 40 years was to protect neo Nazis. That is a political conclusion rather than one supported by the findings of the parliamentary inquiries. Let’s argue with reason, not with emotion.

      That being said, fuck the BfV for its failures.

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        I hope you are aware what happened with the NSU and how closely the BfV was tied to them, like paid informants having direct contact with the terrorists even after police searched for them or officers of the BfV being at the side of one of their attacks and declaring they hadn’t seen anything.
        Or how western Neo Nazis used money from the BfV to establish the NPD in the east in the 90s.
        Or the ties of the BfV to the Wehrsportgruppen (Neo Nazi terrorist groups who committed the worst terror attack in German history after the war in 1980 source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oktoberfest_bombing)
        Or how the whole organization was founded and shaped by full hardened Nazis who got their experience by spying for Nazi Germany (and luckily sucking at that).
        Every of these points alone is ground for massive suspicion for what the goals of the BfV really are. Combined there is no other conclusion then that at least parts of the BfV have guided, protected and used fascists throughout all of Germany’s post war history.

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    Warum sind die dagegen? Ich dachte wer nichts zu verbergen hat, hat auch nichts zu befürchten? Hat man mir jedenfalls bei jeder online Überwachung und Gesetzesänderung so gesagt…

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    I hope that they have learned from history and call their undercover agents back early enough.

    In his capacity as head of the intelligence department, Mayr recruited Adolf Hitler as an undercover agent in early June 1919. Hitler’s role involved informing on soldiers suspected of communist sympathies.

    Furthermore, Hitler was sent as an observer to the numerous meetings of the various newly formed political parties in Munich. Hitler spent much time at the meetings and wrote reports on the political ideas, goals and methods of the groups. This included studying the activities of the DAP

    (which became the NSDAP)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Mayr

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      It‘s kind of insane how heavily they abuse the legal system as a tool of intimidation for how openly they distrust it. I‘m aware losing these cases are part of their strategy but still. They‘re unbelievably pathetic.

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        Their strategie with sueing is to holding this sort of stuff for years. Because as long as a lawsuit about, in this case monitoring of the party, is ongoing, they arent allowed to be monitored