Ukraine–the county literally being invaded by Russia–is an imperialist, war mongering tyrant? Get the fuck out of here with this slop. Could’ve just left it with the main flags, but throwing Ukraine’s flag in there is legit braindead Chinese/Russian trolling.
I laughed at seeing Finnish flag there. TORILLE

Yeah not sure what Ukraine is doing there, clearly a troll. But not even the Soviet Union, China, US, UK all the other does not excuse them from their atrocities. They are all bad, it does not matter if a Communist or a Capitalist is oppressing you, oppression is oppression. Trying to excuse your oppression by referring to the other side does it too is not a valid argument. People deserve freedom not subjugation
There are a few critical flaws here.
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Ukraine is here for the same reason Israel is, both are vassals of western imperialists that help secure western interests in their respective regions. No trolling here.
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The US and UK are far more oppressive with far more atrocities globally than either the USSR or PRC. Nobody is trying to point to other countries being bad to say that excuses oppression, but that the actual differences between socialist countries and imperialist ones is massive.
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They are all bad
Good job, that’s exactly the understanding and framing that the Council on Foreign Relations wants you to have.

Trying to excuse your oppression does it too is not a valid argument.
Nobody is making such an argument.
People deserve freedom not subjugation
Ok then, that was always allowed.
Ukraine is a vassal of western imperialists, similar to Israel.
So it makes it okay for a foreign country to invade them without just cause?
Is eight years of ethnic cleansing, three broken treaties and potential nukes in the hands of a nazi junta not “just cause” enough for you?
No, it makes it okay for a foreign country to invade with just cause when there was…
- A coup
- The next election was won through the popularity of a tv series, where the election winner played president on tv. This was not a coincidence.
- It became very clear that the policies of these two presidents that it would completely isolate Ukraine from Russia, despite half of Ukraine being Russian and the other half semi-Russian.
- This upset parts of Ukraine that have deep economic ties with Russia so much, that they declared independence of Ukraine to join Russia, starting with Crimea.
- This in turn was painted by US/UK media as aggressive annexation by Putin.
- It also became clear that Zelensky wanted to join the EU at all costs.
- This concerned Russia as the EU doesn’t seem to be independent of NATO policy and having nukes placed close to Russia’s border aimed at Moscow in areas where xx% of the population would consider themselves Russian wanting to join Russia is considered a nightmare scenario for Russia if separatist conflict would be taking place there.
- Russia then made negotiations with Ukraine to address both concerns and Ukraine did not uphold their part of the agreement. This happened twice and in both cases this ended up with military victory for Russia and the separatist areas.
- Russia also negotiated with NATO, since NATO was supplying Ukraine with arms to end this conflict and it became clear that NATO and the EU were pushing Ukraine to further the conflict.
- At this point Russia decided that it was time to act before things would get further out of control, showing Ukraine’s president that they were willing to wage war in order to prevent high otential nuclear conflict, by doing a small flash invasion, while preparing for world war III.
- Ukraine’s president then flipped, saying he was willing to take the situation serious, but then flopped when UK’s former prime minister came to visit him telling Zelensky that NATO was prepared to fully support Ukraine with whatever military equipment he needed.
There was just cause. The Kiev regime has killed 13,000 civilians in the Donbass region, and had amassed huge amounts of troops to retake the seperatist regions shortly before Russian intervention stopped the invasion.
If the US is running the show then yeah it’s definitely imperialism, we’ve very clearly succeeded in mongering up a war there, and I do recall some pretty unambiguous reports of the current regime in Ukraine directly suppressing opposition parties and suspending elections
Ukraine isn’t imperialist; it’s a vassal of US empire.
How would you come to that conclusion?
The west treats Ukraine like they do Israel. After the western-supported Euromaidan coup in 2014, they’ve armed millitant Banderites to crack down on communists and geopolitical adversaries of the west.
Its government came to power as a result of a US-backed coup, for starters.
edit: For the record, I upvoted you because your question is fair and valid if you don’t know the history and context of the situation. And the western media where many people understandably (if sadly) get their information from will never provide that history and context. That is why we get these confidently ignorant people coming into threads like this gobsmacked that anyone can deny what they see as the obvious truth of Russia’s “unjustified invasion by a foreign aggressor.”
in what world are ukraine and finland empires or anything like that?
Because this post is a propaganda in itself :-( “east bad, but what about west; west is bad equally” type of bullshit.
The west is far worse than the east. We don’t agree with western narratives about western enemies.
Nations aren’t the best for humans and their wellbeing. Religion is pretty bad and politics so far is only marginally better. The one structure that actually seems to be doing well is science.
Whataboutism episode 5478
“Pointing out the verifiable fact that every single accusation we make is a confession is actually a logical fallacy so I’m allowed to pretend it doesn’t matter” lol fuck off pseud
The tides are changing, I see. Or the Americans are asleep, lol.
Or you’re in an .ml community which has a larger proportion of people who agree with the sentiment in this meme than lots of other instances.
Plus some people who don’t share those beliefs have probably blocked the instance, so there’s likely that bias too
Usually memes like this get 1:2 likes:dislikes or 1:1, but this seems closer to 2:1.
Even then, even then… but perhaps you’re right and I’m being too optimistic. 🥲

The west is just as bad or even worse than the east.
British empire, America attacking countries yearly.
It is just western propaganda that the west are the good guys
Libs already hate Arabs and Muslims so I would be surprised if any had anything positive to say about Saudi Arabia







