one user says Luigi accomplished nothing, the other says Luigi got America talking and won a symbolic victory. both users throw personal insults at each other. this goes on for about 15 comments. sounds like you both wisely have them blocked
Thanks for the summary, I confirm I didn’t see a thing, maybe my instance defederated from them (this is the speculation of someone who doesn’t actually know how the fediverse actually works, so use a handful of salt)
Damn, poor little baby sure is jealous that Luigi got the entire US talking about the evils of private health insurance for weeks if not months and took down a mass-murderer.
Yeah totes wish I was getting locked up and watching the company I hated was hiring a new profit-focused CEO to continue its rollout of AI-powered claim review denying claims in record high amounts.
Hey, man, Luigi was fighting for you too; maybe with proper dental care, for example, you could finally have those boot polish stains removed from your teeth.
Oh shit, good one. Wow, you’re so clever I almost forgot that you’re insufferable. Come to think of it, I tagged you some months ago after reading a comment where you called Bill Gates the “best billionaire”, so maybe your opinion of Luigi would’ve improved if he’d had extramarital affairs in the company of the 21st century’s most notorious child sex trafficker.
I dunno, that one CEO surely didn’t think Mangione’s alleged rage was very impotent, and all the other CEOs that got scared didn’t think so, either. Unfortunately the American people let Luigi down, though
I sorta hear where you’re coming from but I think for most people, someone getting out there and shooting someone is a million times more ballsy and proactive than we’ll ever be. Agreed that it was misguided/naive though. I think it’s hard to know what will actually bring about the much needed change.
No, actually, I can’t think of any successful revolutions that have? Generally, the death or incarceration of a figurehead harms the movement dramatically.
That’s not hard. Nelson Mandela, Václav Havel, José Mujica, Kim Dae-jung. I lived in Czechia under Havel and it was certainly the greatest moment in history I will ever experience. It still gives me hope for humanity.
Nelson Mandela died in 2013, though he is a good choice for being imprisoned for 27 years it is difficult to say that it in any way helped his cause since Apartheid lasted from the 1940s to 1994. He got a lot more done after being released in 1990 I tell you that much. It also didn’t hurt to have people like POTUS Bill Clinton on his side.
Havel was cool but being the first and final president of Czechoslovakia isn’t all that "revolutionary ".
Jose Mujica again a revolutionary in his youth and a normal politician in his later years.
Kim Dae-Jung…
Do you dudes have no idea what a successful revolution is? Because it isn’t slow legislative reform. That’s kind of the crux of the issue, all of these men had the sense to do what Luigi did not: pursue peaceful political reform and increase civillian engagement in democratic politics.
MLK, Nelson Mandela, Helen of Troy, the American revolution, the IRA, the entire history of Europe, the suffragettes, stonewall, Rosa parks, countless hunger strikers in prison, conscientious objectors throughout recorded history, Malcolm x, anyone persecuted under Jim crow, Rosa Luxembourg, Nadia Rumad. Off the top of my head.
You really asked if there are people from successful political movements who have been killed, had people make an attempt on their life, or were put in prison.
MLK Jr died in 1968, long after the civil rights act was signed into law.
George Washington did not die in the Revolution, idk where you heard that.
Helena as in the daughter of Zues? Okay pal.
The “suffragettes” generally refers to the WSPU which failed and disbanded in 1914 several years before some few women were allowed to vote in 1918 due to the efforts of different groups and more broadly in 1928.
How the fuck do you claim the entire IRA died but also accomplished a successful revolution?
The entirety of Europe? You think the entirety of Europe is currently dead?!
If you believe it is organic you can find over 115 of them right up there. Luigi Cultists, who reject the reality of his impact and substitute their own.
Though, given how hard it is to get that much engagement on a post much less a comment, it most certainly is not organic.
Okay sooo… what does your OP have to do with Senator Bernie Sanders again? It’s not like it’s impossible to support multiple paths of action, that’s pretty par for the course in political movements. You shitting on one for not having immediate success just strikes as hypocritical and, ironically, not useful to the movement.
But those bots, oof yeah. big-luigi at it again siccing dozens of phoney Lemmy downvotes on poor, uh, you. If it wasn’t for them then I and everyone else would probably agree with you.
If you become a Luigi Mangione you can never become a Bernie Sanders. Mutual exclusivity. Even if you become a political icon it will always be clear that you prefer the path of violence over all other action.
Accomplish no changes in the system he opposed? At the very least he heightened awareness of the atrocious evils of health insurance, and now [CEOs who knows they’re evil] have reinforced their security probably.
It wasn’t that Luigi heightened awareness it was that heightened awareness led to a Luigi (not to say Luigi’s actions were a reasonable response, mind you).
UHC had been in the news for months for their overt corruption. Many legislators had already publicly condemned them whiched to some limited policy reversal around the time of the assassination.
Luigi Mangione ?
Don’t you mean the killer the feds mistook Luigi for?
I didn’t say he killed anyone, he just looks good and is smart
Damn he does look good. I’d say inspirational, even.
sorry all that happened to your comment
I didn’t notice a thing… Is that the joke ?
there are people arguing in the replies to your comment
Weird, can you give us a summary? I don’t see it either.
one user says Luigi accomplished nothing, the other says Luigi got America talking and won a symbolic victory. both users throw personal insults at each other. this goes on for about 15 comments. sounds like you both wisely have them blocked
Thanks for the summary, I confirm I didn’t see a thing, maybe my instance defederated from them (this is the speculation of someone who doesn’t actually know how the fediverse actually works, so use a handful of salt)
That’s crazy. Thank you for the play by play!
The guy who killed a dude to accomplish no changes in the system he opposed and then went to prison for life?
Nah, I think he’d be on the other side of the chart.
Damn, poor little baby sure is jealous that Luigi got the entire US talking about the evils of private health insurance for weeks if not months and took down a mass-murderer.
What a little cockweasel you are.
Yeah totes wish I was getting locked up and watching the company I hated was hiring a new profit-focused CEO to continue its rollout of AI-powered claim review denying claims in record high amounts.
Sooo jelly
/s
Hey, man, Luigi was fighting for you too; maybe with proper dental care, for example, you could finally have those boot polish stains removed from your teeth.
You’re not opposing any boots yourself, shoeshine. You’re doing fuck all to help anyone.
Just like Luigi: impotent rage incapable of bringing about change.
No one said I was, you illiterate fuck. That’s why I don’t shit on people who are.
Like who?
Oh shit, good one. Wow, you’re so clever I almost forgot that you’re insufferable. Come to think of it, I tagged you some months ago after reading a comment where you called Bill Gates the “best billionaire”, so maybe your opinion of Luigi would’ve improved if he’d had extramarital affairs in the company of the 21st century’s most notorious child sex trafficker.
I dunno, that one CEO surely didn’t think Mangione’s alleged rage was very impotent, and all the other CEOs that got scared didn’t think so, either. Unfortunately the American people let Luigi down, though
Scared? UHC aren’t acting scared, that’s for sure, they’re ramping up automation to deny more claims.
Right, he simply should have voted for a new CEO
I sorta hear where you’re coming from but I think for most people, someone getting out there and shooting someone is a million times more ballsy and proactive than we’ll ever be. Agreed that it was misguided/naive though. I think it’s hard to know what will actually bring about the much needed change.
I’ll take one more Bernie Sanders over a million idiots with guns.
Bernie Sanders is well loved, but also extremely old, and doesn’t seem to have passed the torch to the next generation of like minded politicians.
Oh no!
Anyways
All revolutions start with martyrs
No, actually, I can’t think of any successful revolutions that have? Generally, the death or incarceration of a figurehead harms the movement dramatically.
Wow look, ahistoric nonsense proven wrong by even the most cursory look at world history. How embarrassing.
Got an example to work with?
That’s not hard. Nelson Mandela, Václav Havel, José Mujica, Kim Dae-jung. I lived in Czechia under Havel and it was certainly the greatest moment in history I will ever experience. It still gives me hope for humanity.
Nelson Mandela died in 2013, though he is a good choice for being imprisoned for 27 years it is difficult to say that it in any way helped his cause since Apartheid lasted from the 1940s to 1994. He got a lot more done after being released in 1990 I tell you that much. It also didn’t hurt to have people like POTUS Bill Clinton on his side.
Havel was cool but being the first and final president of Czechoslovakia isn’t all that "revolutionary ".
Jose Mujica again a revolutionary in his youth and a normal politician in his later years.
Kim Dae-Jung…
Do you dudes have no idea what a successful revolution is? Because it isn’t slow legislative reform. That’s kind of the crux of the issue, all of these men had the sense to do what Luigi did not: pursue peaceful political reform and increase civillian engagement in democratic politics.
The types of “revolutions” you expouse almost always end in tryanny.
MLK, Nelson Mandela, Helen of Troy, the American revolution, the IRA, the entire history of Europe, the suffragettes, stonewall, Rosa parks, countless hunger strikers in prison, conscientious objectors throughout recorded history, Malcolm x, anyone persecuted under Jim crow, Rosa Luxembourg, Nadia Rumad. Off the top of my head.
You really asked if there are people from successful political movements who have been killed, had people make an attempt on their life, or were put in prison.
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MLK Jr died in 1968, long after the civil rights act was signed into law.
George Washington did not die in the Revolution, idk where you heard that.
Helena as in the daughter of Zues? Okay pal.
The “suffragettes” generally refers to the WSPU which failed and disbanded in 1914 several years before some few women were allowed to vote in 1918 due to the efforts of different groups and more broadly in 1928.
How the fuck do you claim the entire IRA died but also accomplished a successful revolution?
The entirety of Europe? You think the entirety of Europe is currently dead?!
Ah acting obtuse and dumb because you can’t take an obvious L
“You think the whole of the IRA died!!!11111”
How embarrassing.
Skipped the chapter on Easter Rising, didja?
As opposed to people who are being thrown in prison for wearing a black shirt?
Your argument has the consistency of a sieve in reality.
???
In what reality are those two things opposed?
You’re saying if Luigi hadn’t killed Brian that people in black shirts would be under arrest?
P.S. put up or shut up, if the world needs more Bernies like you say than step the fuck up or get out of the fucking way.
People like Luigi Cultists are the ones in the way. They don’t want Bernies. They don’t want people participating in “the system”. They want violence.
Lol who is “they”? Got any examples?
If you believe it is organic you can find over 115 of them right up there. Luigi Cultists, who reject the reality of his impact and substitute their own.
Though, given how hard it is to get that much engagement on a post much less a comment, it most certainly is not organic.
Okay sooo… what does your OP have to do with Senator Bernie Sanders again? It’s not like it’s impossible to support multiple paths of action, that’s pretty par for the course in political movements. You shitting on one for not having immediate success just strikes as hypocritical and, ironically, not useful to the movement.
But those bots, oof yeah. big-luigi at it again siccing dozens of phoney Lemmy downvotes on poor, uh, you. If it wasn’t for them then I and everyone else would probably agree with you.
If you become a Luigi Mangione you can never become a Bernie Sanders. Mutual exclusivity. Even if you become a political icon it will always be clear that you prefer the path of violence over all other action.
Yeah, I can’t be both, what’s your point? One person isn’t a movement.
Accomplish no changes in the system he opposed? At the very least he heightened awareness of the atrocious evils of health insurance, and now [CEOs who knows they’re evil] have reinforced their security probably.
It wasn’t that Luigi heightened awareness it was that heightened awareness led to a Luigi (not to say Luigi’s actions were a reasonable response, mind you).
UHC had been in the news for months for their overt corruption. Many legislators had already publicly condemned them whiched to some limited policy reversal around the time of the assassination.
lol too real to Lemmy to hear