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      I did it edit: on my Steam Deck for a few months to play gamepass games direct on hardware. If it’s any consultation, I used windows 10 IOT and eventually switched back to SteamOS.

      It works, but windows is so clunky for actual gaming right now.

      It wasn’t terrible but it was NOT good. It was useable and I got through a couple of smaller gamepass games.

      I wouldn’t recommend it unless a lot has changed for windows portable gaming since 2024.

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        Of the top 10 best selling games of all time, 9 of them run perfectly fine on Linux and the one that doesn’t, requires you installing a rootkit, which only windows is stupid enough to allow.

        so I’m not sure what your talking about?

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          Im all for linux but damn your comment is just incorrect and argumentative.

          Youre telling me linux doesnt allow you to install programs that act as a rootkit?

          Im not sure what your talking about.

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            Idk what specific game they are talking about, but usually, when the game runs through proton, said rootkit cannot work as intended due to containerization or whatever (sorry, my knowledge of the intricacies of Linux/proton is pretty poor) so it’s either not doing its job properly because it can’t really detect stuff like DMA, or the devs just prevent Linux users from playing to make their job easier.

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          They’re not the most played and most popular now.

          People want to play online shooters, and those generally don’t work on Linux. Fortnite, COD, Warzone, battlefield, apex, gta, pubg, etc. None of them work on Linux.

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            Most of those games have the majority of their player base on console, not on PC. Obviously people still play them on PC, but, the fact that they’re “the most played” ignores the breakdown of where they are played and how big of an audience will be swayed by their exclusion.

            LOL not allowing Linux is probably a much bigger issue over all given that it’s player base is PC dominated and it’s still a huge presence.

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            Sounds like Valve is catering to its veterans rather than uh younger generations. Aren’t those games notorious for cheats anyway, despite kernel level anti-cheat?

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              Yet they’re still the most popular and most played games.

              If valve wants steam machines to ever be more than a niche, they need to fix this problem - and it IS a problem.

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                  If rhey only make 100 consoles and sell out, does that make it not niche?

                  The steam deck, for all the talk of how amazing and what a massive success it is, has only sold about 5 million units in its entire lifetime. 5 million. The switch 2 sold like 4 times that in its first year.

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                Precisely because the “rootkit” (whatever anti cheat solution it uses) couldn’t actually do its job when running the game through proton iirc

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              Yeah, and those top 10 numbers pale in comparison to the games I named in terms of player counts. Most of these games aren’t played through Steam.

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                  That site is useless and made of hopes and dreams lol. It basically pretends consoles don’t exist.

                  Fortnite alone has over 30 million daily players. That site has it at like 1.5mil lol

                  That site also has counter strike go at over 250k more “right now” than steam charts say lol

                  Steam is far from the only place people play games, especially when the biggest and highest selling games every single year are not even on steam.

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                    Fortnite doesn’t even have 15 million weekly players, and that site is a live player count, not daily. I think you’re in a bit over you’re head if you’re this bad at reading statistics.

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            gta does actually, if you and people in yout session block punkbuster
            btw anyone wants to do a heist with me at 2am (in gta)

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            I’ve played warzone, battlefield, and apex on Linux in the past. I don’t anymore because I don’t find them fun, but they definitely worked fine. These days I mostly play Overwatch and Marvel Rivals, which are also some very popular online shooters, and they work as well on Linux. Kinda weird to be making claims like that in such absolutes.

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              None of them work on Linux, so no, you haven’t or at least you can’t now. No one cares if one of them worked years ago on Linux, that doesn’t make them work now.

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                LMAO I can promise you, they worked at one point, and I did play them. I know apex doesn’t work in Linux now because the devs purposely decided to break Linux/Proton compatibility, and I believe Warzone is the same way. Battlefield was a buggy mess and not very fun to me when I played it, so I didn’t really keep up with what happened there, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that was dev incompetency as well. Why blame Linux when it’s the devs of those games that are breaking compatibility, either purposely or out of incompetence?

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                  Battlefield 6 has literally never worked on Linux. Kernel level anti-cheat has been required from day 1. COD too, has had it for years. BO7, BO6, MW3, MW2, etc - you haven’t played them on Linux.

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                    I think I’m thinking of Battlefield 2042, the one with the huge maps and like 128v128 matches. Never said I played any of the COD franchise, those games are dog shit

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          Oh when did proton let you play GTA Online? Call of Duty? Warzone? Battlefield 6? Fortnite? Apex? PUBG?

          Did I miss proton getting kernel level anti-cheat? Do you even know what proton is? The difference between proton and steamOS?

          Maybe delete this comment of yours too and try again. Third times the charm maybe? The first time you misread what I said, the second time you’ve misunderstood why these games don’t work on steamOS. Maybe next time you’ll get it.

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            We’re sorry that youve only had experience with games that run micro transactions and brain rot. You could try better games and don’t just fall in with the 16 year olds playing cod 74. Unless you are 16…

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              Where did I say I play them?

              Good try to gatekeep and try and feel superior though.

              It’s insane how much the hardcore Linux community seems to be Linux adoption rates worst enemy. Should we want Linux to get features that will remove the single biggest reason why hundreds of millions of people will never switch to Linux for gaming? No, because we need to pretend we’re superior by only playing unpopular games.

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                I’m not hardcore Linux, I’m anti privacy invasive software. Privacy is already at war, why are we feeding all our data to AI bullshit?

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            GTA Online? Call of Duty? Warzone? Battlefield 6? Fortnite? Apex? PUBG?

            Ironically, those are all games that I did not want to play when using windows either.

            Every new game that came out in 2026 that I actually wanted to play does work on Linux with Proton.

            The age of Windows is a PC gaming monopoly is definately coming to an end.

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              Look you can pretend that you don’t care about the most popular games in the world, but you are the minority. SteamOS will not get big until it supports them.

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            Did I miss proton getting kernel level anti-cheat?

            Let me get this straight, you want to install windows on steam machine to install malware on it? Windows users have really weird kinks.

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                It isn’t malware by design, but too much power and corruption and even the idea someone could access it from something like this is bizarre. Why you’re defending it, I don’t know.

                Look at flock cameras. The idea to find a missing child or someone in trouble instantly is great, until police start using access to stalk women and their exes.

                Monroe County, Florida: Deputy Lamar Roman used an ALPR system to track and pull over a woman he met while working security on a TV set.

                Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Former Officer Josue Ayala was criminally charged and resigned after he illegally tracked his ex-girlfriend and her new partner’s vehicles nearly 180 times. Another Milwaukee officer, Detective Chapman, was also criminally charged for using the Flock system to track a woman and placing a GPS device on her vehicle.

                Software having kernel-level (Ring 0) access presents significant security and privacy risks, as it bypasses the operating system’s built-in memory isolation. This level of access grants applications unfettered control over the system, meaning any vulnerability can be exploited to compromise credentials, hijack hardware, or cause system-wide crashes.

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                  Woah, careful there, you might overload their brain. Extending your thinking and following logic to its endpoint?

                  Nooo, most popular game fortnite me play fortnite, me need unlock skins with credit card.

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            Oh when did proton let you play GTA Online? Call of Duty? Warzone? Battlefield 6? Fortnite? Apex? PUBG?

            The funny thing is that this is nearly an exhaustive list of games that don’t work.

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              It’s definitely not. Even if it was; you’ve probably got a combined 50 million players who will never switch to Linux if it doesn’t support them.

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        Proton? (And games that don’t work with Proton are usually bad and their players wouldn’t buy an Steam Machine)

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          Proton doesn’t play Fortnite, CoD, Warzone, Battlefield, Apex, GTA Online, PUBG, etc.

          If valve want the steam machine to be anything other than niche, they need to figure out a way to get these games working in Linux. For all the “success” of the steam deck, even the abysmal selling Xbox series sells more in a year than the steam deck has sold in its lifetime.

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            Crazy people are trying to drown out your comments with down votes when you are just stating facts.

            The stream machine is unfortunately a failure for the price. It should have been 600ish tops for the hardware. You can get a much better system for similar or slightly more which makes it’s price to perf horrible.

            Yes I know it’s because of datacenter and price fixing but it doesn’t make the steam machine a good system compared to others

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        Which “most played most popular” games would that be?

        You mean Baldur’s Gate 3? Well, that one runs just fine on Linux. Also has a Linux native build.

        CS:GO 2? Also a Linux native build.

        DOTA 2? Runs perfectly fine.

        Terraria? Linux native.

        Palworld? Runs great. Even on Steam Deck.

        The Binding of Isaac Rebirth? Linux native.

        I’m sure you’re getting the idea. The only ones that didn’t work at all or not as good on Linux are PUBG and Marvel Rivals.

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            Really? Well let’s analyse that then.

            Fortnite; blocked by anti-cheat. Otherwise runs nicely. Fuck epic games. Besides, only children who don’t know any better play Fortnite.

            Roblox; runs using the Sober client. Better than on windows, according to most Linux players.

            Warzone; There are a couple of games called “Warzone”, but if you’re talking about Call of Duty Warzone, the it’s not even in the top 50 games played… And that’s for Call of Duty as a whole. Warzone specifically doesn’t even have an entry in the SteamDB charts top 100 most played games.

            Battlefield 6; Eeeyyy, actually a game that’s within the top 50 played games on Steam. Too bad it’s still out-done by Terraria, Cyberpunk 2077, and the likes of Gramblue Fantasy. Yeah, you know, nobody on Linux is missing this one.

            Call of Duty; Which one? As in the whole franchise? Yeah, the franchise as a whole doesn’t even make it in the top 50, like I said before. However, most Call of Duty games are just playable on Linux so… Unless you mean something specific, this one is just wrong.

            Apex Legends; used to run on Linux, but then EA did a rug pull. So you’re blaming that ln who? Linux, or EA?

            Anyway, let’s do a recap. Out of the 6 games you mentioned only 3 have are actually popular (Fortnite, Roblox, and Apex Legends), the others coming nowhere near top 10, or even top 40, with ONE that is in the low 40s (Battlefield 6).

            Discarding the other ones as unpopular trash most people don’t play anyway, that leaves us with 2 out of 3 popular games that don’t run on Linux.

            From the ones you mentioned, that is.

            In the top 10 currently played games on Steam, only ONE is unplayable on Linux. Apex Legends. And it used to play on Linux just fine.

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            Almost all of these games are dogshit. As for the rest, want kernel access because you’re a shitty corporation? Fuck off. I’ll opt for security rather than bend over for a corporation to do what the fuck ever. I find it entertaining you came on Lemmy to fight this fight lol

            Everyone here (99% probably) hates fucking windows. For excellent reasons. Cry about it and tout your shit games all you want, windows will still be shit.

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              Everyone here (99% probably) thinks communism is the best and just hasn’t been done right yet, so I really don’t care lol.

              You’re actively arguing against Linux becoming a legitimate gaming OS threat to windows. As a Linux lover and windows hater. Amazing.

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                Everyone here (99% probably) thinks communism is the best and just hasn’t been done right yet

                Stop hanging out with tankies.

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                so I really don’t care

                Pretty simple then, leave, you aren’t welcome here.

                Last two sentences are deranged.

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                    I don’t think anything here is even mildly funny, other than the fact that you expect to be taken seriously while simping for one of the world’s most evil corporations.

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          Roblox, Fortnite, gta online, battlefield 6, pubg, apex, cod, warzone - these all work on Linux now?

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              Yeah in some hacky-as-shit way where you’re playing the android version. That doesn’t count. It’s like saying you can play cod because you can stream it via web browser.

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                Your comparison is absurd. Unlike Minecraft, no matter what version of roblox you’re using, they are all using the same servers and play together. Only reason you have to use Android based on Linux, is because Roblox officially blocked Wine-based execution, which by the way, worked great as well, until they blocked it.

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            Very thankfully, none of them do! Are there any good games by non-shit publishers you simp for?

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              You’re “simping” for Valve by pretending literally the most played games in the world not playing on their OS is a good thing 🤣

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                “the most played” often means literally by children (not even kidding, when I played Fortnite briefly, there were several instances of 3-5 year old kids on the voice chat lol) who have never played a game with any depth. Congrats, tough crowd lol… Maybe if Fortnite and Call of Duty weren’t trash I’d feel differently, but they are. I have no loyalty to any company, if anything I have loyalty to the idea of open source software. Your worst nightmare, apparently.

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                    Sure man I’m really missing out. I totally don’t enjoy telling people I cannot run Fortnite when they ask me. I totally want to play that bloated garbage which is overrun by toddlers saying the N word. That would be the dream… if only I could find an OS where I can do that, and also get my machine wrecked weekly with insane AI updates and new default shit that I hate. All while randomly rebooting my computer without asking permission. A boy can dream!!

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              Well those are the most popular games, and you said it’s not true that installing windows on a steam machine will be the only way to play them on a steam machine………

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      Unfortunately some games don’t run on Linux, my fav apex legends doesn’t. If I had the disposable income to grab one of these I’d at least be dual booting…