It‘s funny because historically America has always been the good guy, and Trump is the only anomaly. This is clear by the fact that the US is currently not involved in any proxy or trade war with any of the evil dictators on the other side.
Very sharp analysis by the cartoonist, they really must have a strong grip on reality.
They have supported Israel for a long time though. I guess it had to wait for the genocide to become more blatant for them not to be seen as the good guys?
Thankfully I don’t see it as much on here as much as it used to be around the peak of the election, where I’d see (self proclaimed) liberals ignoring the reality and instead argue that his hands were tied or that he’s totally working tirelessly for a ceasefire or that it was irrelevant to winning the race. I still see establishment Dems holding this view, especially during the controversy of the DNC refusing to release the autopsy
It‘s funny because historically America has always been the good guy, and Trump is the only anomaly.
That is not what the cartoon implies though. You are just forcing your own tankie strawmen on it. It is purely about a geopolitical context, where the US indeed traditionally has been the opponent of the other regimes, but no longer are.
Geopolitical opponents says nothing about values or “good guys”, because believe it or not, you can actually oppose both sides in a geopolitical conflict. I know that is a difficult concept for your zero sum “all enemies of the US are my friends” tankie mindset.
where the US indeed traditionally has been the opponent of the other regimes
Has it? Relations between the US and China started thawing all the way back with Nixon’s famous visit, and with the reforms and investment and them becoming a major trading partner, those conflicts became a thing of the past. I grew up in the 90’s and the idea of China being an enemy was a pretty foreign concept back then. After 9/11, the focus was entirely on the Middle East, and I don’t recall anybody talking about, “We shouldn’t invade Iraq because we should be focusing on confronting China instead” or anything like that.
In 2011, US opinions of China were 51% favorable vs 36% unfavorable. In 2017, it was 44% to 47%. Then, relationships suddenly deteriorated afterward.
I attribute that sudden deterioration to two factors. First, with the winding down of the wars in the Middle East, it was necessary for the ruling class to drum up tensions elsewhere in order to justify pouring immense amounts of money into the military industrial complex. Second, with the abject failures in handling the pandemic, it was necessary for the ruling class to point fingers abroad to distract from its own failings. And what better place to point fingers than a country which handled it relatively well? “They only handled it better because they knew it was coming, and it was a biological weapon primarily released on their enemies.” Anyone criticizing US policy, especially if they compare it to China, can now be dismissed as a tankie and traitor, based on a conspiracy theory promoted by propaganda.
So what time period exactly are you talking about when you say, “traditionally?” 2019-2024, Biden’s one presidential term? Or the 1950s-1980s? Because there’s a pretty significant, nearly 40 year gap in that “tradition.”
but no longer are.
I also hard disagree on that point but this comment is long enough already.
There is no evidence that Trump is substantially less confrontative with Russia and China than any other president in the last 30 years (my comment directly references this), so in that sense he is “balancing” geopolitics by keeping the world on the constant brink of WW3 “as any good president should”.
My problem with this “comic” is two fold. One, it implies that Trump is an anomaly in an otherwise continuous moral America. Two, it presents a world that is in a constant state of conflict between imperialists powers (What did a tankie just call Russia imperialist?!?) as a desirable state.
That’s the thing. Doesn’t matter how, when bringing up any of the nasty things any of those up there, unless it is the US, have done or are in the midst of doing right now, the response is pretty much like on my comment up there. Doesn’t matter how well supported the comment is or not.
That’s the thing. The comments are never well supported. China hasn’t dropped a bomb in 50 years and in the same time has lifted 800,000,000 people out of poverty. To put them in the same ballgame doesn’t make sense because they’re not even playing the same sport lol.
It‘s funny because historically America has always been the good guy, and Trump is the only anomaly. This is clear by the fact that the US is currently not involved in any proxy or trade war with any of the evil dictators on the other side.
Very sharp analysis by the cartoonist, they really must have a strong grip on reality.
They have supported Israel for a long time though. I guess it had to wait for the genocide to become more blatant for them not to be seen as the good guys?
Well if Genocide happens under a Dem it’s different /s
Nope, dem here. Fuck Biden for doing nothing.
Thankfully I don’t see it as much on here as much as it used to be around the peak of the election, where I’d see (self proclaimed) liberals ignoring the reality and instead argue that his hands were tied or that he’s totally working tirelessly for a ceasefire or that it was irrelevant to winning the race. I still see establishment Dems holding this view, especially during the controversy of the DNC refusing to release the autopsy
That is not what the cartoon implies though. You are just forcing your own tankie strawmen on it. It is purely about a geopolitical context, where the US indeed traditionally has been the opponent of the other regimes, but no longer are.
Geopolitical opponents says nothing about values or “good guys”, because believe it or not, you can actually oppose both sides in a geopolitical conflict. I know that is a difficult concept for your zero sum “all enemies of the US are my friends” tankie mindset.
Has it? Relations between the US and China started thawing all the way back with Nixon’s famous visit, and with the reforms and investment and them becoming a major trading partner, those conflicts became a thing of the past. I grew up in the 90’s and the idea of China being an enemy was a pretty foreign concept back then. After 9/11, the focus was entirely on the Middle East, and I don’t recall anybody talking about, “We shouldn’t invade Iraq because we should be focusing on confronting China instead” or anything like that.
In 2011, US opinions of China were 51% favorable vs 36% unfavorable. In 2017, it was 44% to 47%. Then, relationships suddenly deteriorated afterward.
I attribute that sudden deterioration to two factors. First, with the winding down of the wars in the Middle East, it was necessary for the ruling class to drum up tensions elsewhere in order to justify pouring immense amounts of money into the military industrial complex. Second, with the abject failures in handling the pandemic, it was necessary for the ruling class to point fingers abroad to distract from its own failings. And what better place to point fingers than a country which handled it relatively well? “They only handled it better because they knew it was coming, and it was a biological weapon primarily released on their enemies.” Anyone criticizing US policy, especially if they compare it to China, can now be dismissed as a tankie and traitor, based on a conspiracy theory promoted by propaganda.
So what time period exactly are you talking about when you say, “traditionally?” 2019-2024, Biden’s one presidential term? Or the 1950s-1980s? Because there’s a pretty significant, nearly 40 year gap in that “tradition.”
I also hard disagree on that point but this comment is long enough already.
There is no evidence that Trump is substantially less confrontative with Russia and China than any other president in the last 30 years (my comment directly references this), so in that sense he is “balancing” geopolitics by keeping the world on the constant brink of WW3 “as any good president should”.
My problem with this “comic” is two fold. One, it implies that Trump is an anomaly in an otherwise continuous moral America. Two, it presents a world that is in a constant state of conflict between imperialists powers (What did a tankie just call Russia imperialist?!?) as a desirable state.
But yes, it’s me that is talking to straw men.
You been under a rock or something?
yes
Apparently.
Guess what, that bunch on the left side fits together quite well, but you aren’t allowed to say that on lemmy.ml, are you?
Indeed I would be rightfully sent to the gulag.
You’re allowed to talk bullshit, but we’re going to make fun of you for being wrong about it.
That’s the thing. Doesn’t matter how, when bringing up any of the nasty things any of those up there, unless it is the US, have done or are in the midst of doing right now, the response is pretty much like on my comment up there. Doesn’t matter how well supported the comment is or not.
That’s the thing. The comments are never well supported. China hasn’t dropped a bomb in 50 years and in the same time has lifted 800,000,000 people out of poverty. To put them in the same ballgame doesn’t make sense because they’re not even playing the same sport lol.