It becomes hurtful toward fat people when made part of the insult. It’s played like “dumb fuck” or “gay fuck”, putting an adjective in front of an insult makes that adjective part of the insult.
Tumblr post by fluoresensitive:
Small penises aren’t bad, balding isn’t bad, being short isn’t bad, being fat isn’t bad. Physical traits are not signs of morality, and the sooner people stop mocking people for their bodies (yes, even when they’re bad) the better.
User uxji responds with a drawing of a stick-person labeled “You” holding a gun labeled in red “Bodyshaming” firing to the right at a stick-person labeled “Guy u don’t like but will not care” who is deflecting the shot to the left which hits a third stick-person labeled “Person you care about with the same trait who now knows you think they’re ugly”
User cretaceousundead responds:
Like another tumblr post said “when you make fun of a bad person for their appearance, somewhere there’s a good person with a similar appearance who hears you and feels terrible”
I get what this picture is saying, but I’d like to point out this is an issue that was never a problem outside of celebrity before the turn of the millennium. I say if used in defence with private issues, use whatever works if the collateral damage is only imagined people, just don’t make hating a part of your identity.
I don’t understand what you’re point is, do you know that there are no fat people present that could be hurt by this?
Do you think that promoting bodyshaming when those shamed aren’t present is ok?
Also what’s this about it not being a problem before the turn of the millenium?? Are you gonna start whining about woke millenials and cancel culture next?
I mean this is only a society wide issue when dealing with the social media panopticon.
If you are for example dealing with a bully in person, they don’t respond to the pressures of society correctly, attacking any of their insecurities is fair game if it will correct the behaviour or otherwise keep them away.
Who the hell would think “oh no, there’s someone across the globe that might have a hurt feeling if they knew about this private conversation”?
I mean, I’ll conclude with “sure I get your point and I agree to a point”.
But at the same time I fully understand that I’ll stick to my; I don’t mind people being fat or stupid or an ass, my issue will reside in when people know they have this objectively bad thing about themselves and refuse to do anything to fix it.
If you’re overweight and just accept that you’re overweight and do nothing, that’s not a good thing.
If you’re overweight and are working on it, good on you partner.
I will always judge the first group, because everyone should have the self realization to try to be a better person. I say this with full observation of the irony.
my issue will reside in when people know they have this objectively bad thing about themselves and refuse to do anything to fix it.
why is this an issue for you? Why do you care? Why is it an “objectively bad thing” what people do with their bodies? Would you call someone a “smoking fuck” or a “tattooed fuck” or whatever? What’s it to you? Also you don’t know what a fat person “working on themselves” looks like. For instance psychological trauma can cause someone to become fat and that person might be unable to get to a societally acceptable weight until that trauma is resolved. Which might be impossible due to other factors.
There are so many facets to this that you cannot possibly know or comprehend unless you have very close fat friends or are fat yourself.
Not to mention that your judgemental attitude makes it harder for someone to lose weight. One of the reasons fat people don’t like to jog or got to a gym or really be in public at all sometimes are the judgemental looks and attitude they get even when they do what everyone expects of them: losing weight.
Also there just are different body-types, and not just the one that everyone expects. I don’t know if you have spent any time around babies but they look all completely different in terms of how fat they are and it isn’t due to diet, or lack of exercise, they were literally born that way. Why should this be different for adults??
I will always judge the first group, because everyone should have the self realization to try to be a better person.
A thin person is not “a better person” because they’re thin fuck off with that.
Just let people be who they are and don’t expect them to become acceptable to you. That’s a really shitty thing to do to others.
So yes, the smokers, the fatties, the idiots on bicycles who don’t wear helmets have an impact on everyone else, because it’s not an infinite pool, and so everyone who is a burden because of their behaviour has an impact on everyone else
Tattoos don’t cost the health system. Even the person climbing a tree who falls out and breaks their arm has no impact
Being fat does not mean being unhealthy. Plenty of people are counted as fat by societal standards but aren’t unhealthy. Being fat is also not a disease. Weight can cause health issues but that doesn’t mean that someones health issues are necessarily caused by their weight.
It also is very much possible to gain weight without being able to stop it. You can’t will yourself out of mental illness, as much as everybody say otherwise…
Also even if someone just is fat and that has caused health issues why shouldn’t they get healthcare?? Aren’t they part of the same society that everybody is contributing to? What kind of society is it where people can be blamed for their illnesses and told that they are an undue burden?? That’s sick.
You have no clue what you’re talking about and are just parroting what you got off 4chan or wherever. Sad stuff. Try thinking for yourself for a change.
Never? Guy walks around in black face you don’t feel you need to change shame them for their appearance? Personally sporting a Nazi tattoo you don’t think an honest upright person’s duty is to shame that person? That’s a hell of a stance to take.
It’s pretty obvious that we are talking about “look” in the sense of someones natural body. Getting a nazi tattoo or putting on blackface is a conscious choice to be racist, being fat isn’t.
Is it shameful to be fat or something?
Being fat? No.
Being a fat fuck? Yes.
What’s the issue with being a “fat fuck”?
the fuck part
Then why include the adjective? Why is Trump weighing as much as the other three a joke?
OK, tubby
Time to eat a salad instead of chicken nuggets apparently
Did you come to Lemmy just to white knight fat people in every topic you can find?
It’s a heavy (pun?) bias on the “being a fuck” part. The fat part is simply observational
It becomes hurtful toward fat people when made part of the insult. It’s played like “dumb fuck” or “gay fuck”, putting an adjective in front of an insult makes that adjective part of the insult.
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Tumblr post by fluoresensitive: Small penises aren’t bad, balding isn’t bad, being short isn’t bad, being fat isn’t bad. Physical traits are not signs of morality, and the sooner people stop mocking people for their bodies (yes, even when they’re bad) the better.
User uxji responds with a drawing of a stick-person labeled “You” holding a gun labeled in red “Bodyshaming” firing to the right at a stick-person labeled “Guy u don’t like but will not care” who is deflecting the shot to the left which hits a third stick-person labeled “Person you care about with the same trait who now knows you think they’re ugly”
User cretaceousundead responds: Like another tumblr post said “when you make fun of a bad person for their appearance, somewhere there’s a good person with a similar appearance who hears you and feels terrible”
if that person relates themselves to dictators’ bodies, then they probably deserve that shame, no?
What?
I get what this picture is saying, but I’d like to point out this is an issue that was never a problem outside of celebrity before the turn of the millennium. I say if used in defence with private issues, use whatever works if the collateral damage is only imagined people, just don’t make hating a part of your identity.
I don’t understand what you’re point is, do you know that there are no fat people present that could be hurt by this?
Do you think that promoting bodyshaming when those shamed aren’t present is ok?
Also what’s this about it not being a problem before the turn of the millenium?? Are you gonna start whining about woke millenials and cancel culture next?
I mean this is only a society wide issue when dealing with the social media panopticon.
If you are for example dealing with a bully in person, they don’t respond to the pressures of society correctly, attacking any of their insecurities is fair game if it will correct the behaviour or otherwise keep them away.
Who the hell would think “oh no, there’s someone across the globe that might have a hurt feeling if they knew about this private conversation”?
👆👆👆👆
I mean, I’ll conclude with “sure I get your point and I agree to a point”.
But at the same time I fully understand that I’ll stick to my; I don’t mind people being fat or stupid or an ass, my issue will reside in when people know they have this objectively bad thing about themselves and refuse to do anything to fix it.
If you’re overweight and just accept that you’re overweight and do nothing, that’s not a good thing.
If you’re overweight and are working on it, good on you partner.
I will always judge the first group, because everyone should have the self realization to try to be a better person. I say this with full observation of the irony.
why is this an issue for you? Why do you care? Why is it an “objectively bad thing” what people do with their bodies? Would you call someone a “smoking fuck” or a “tattooed fuck” or whatever? What’s it to you? Also you don’t know what a fat person “working on themselves” looks like. For instance psychological trauma can cause someone to become fat and that person might be unable to get to a societally acceptable weight until that trauma is resolved. Which might be impossible due to other factors.
There are so many facets to this that you cannot possibly know or comprehend unless you have very close fat friends or are fat yourself.
Not to mention that your judgemental attitude makes it harder for someone to lose weight. One of the reasons fat people don’t like to jog or got to a gym or really be in public at all sometimes are the judgemental looks and attitude they get even when they do what everyone expects of them: losing weight.
Also there just are different body-types, and not just the one that everyone expects. I don’t know if you have spent any time around babies but they look all completely different in terms of how fat they are and it isn’t due to diet, or lack of exercise, they were literally born that way. Why should this be different for adults??
A thin person is not “a better person” because they’re thin fuck off with that.
Just let people be who they are and don’t expect them to become acceptable to you. That’s a really shitty thing to do to others.
Because I live somewhere with socialised medicine
So yes, the smokers, the fatties, the idiots on bicycles who don’t wear helmets have an impact on everyone else, because it’s not an infinite pool, and so everyone who is a burden because of their behaviour has an impact on everyone else
Tattoos don’t cost the health system. Even the person climbing a tree who falls out and breaks their arm has no impact
Fatties do. Smokers do.
Being fat does not mean being unhealthy. Plenty of people are counted as fat by societal standards but aren’t unhealthy. Being fat is also not a disease. Weight can cause health issues but that doesn’t mean that someones health issues are necessarily caused by their weight.
It also is very much possible to gain weight without being able to stop it. You can’t will yourself out of mental illness, as much as everybody say otherwise…
Also even if someone just is fat and that has caused health issues why shouldn’t they get healthcare?? Aren’t they part of the same society that everybody is contributing to? What kind of society is it where people can be blamed for their illnesses and told that they are an undue burden?? That’s sick.
You have no clue what you’re talking about and are just parroting what you got off 4chan or wherever. Sad stuff. Try thinking for yourself for a change.
Yes
No it actually isn’t. Every body is valid.
Shame can be valid.
Shaming someone for how they look isn’t.
Ok grandma. Sorry
Rude and not a woman
No reading comprehension either
For the most part sure.
It never is, not just “for the most part”
Never? Guy walks around in black face you don’t feel you need to change shame them for their appearance? Personally sporting a Nazi tattoo you don’t think an honest upright person’s duty is to shame that person? That’s a hell of a stance to take.
It’s pretty obvious that we are talking about “look” in the sense of someones natural body. Getting a nazi tattoo or putting on blackface is a conscious choice to be racist, being fat isn’t.