iran should really layoff the “blasphemy sharia laws” since they currently have a good PR thing going on because of trump.
When you look at videos of Iran, the headscarf laws are clearly not enforced at all. So I am betting this woman did something different than just not wearing a headscarf like criticizing the government
She was filming the video for her song “A Dream Of Freedom”, so yeah, the government was already not a big fan
Bro, that’s propaganda from a tyrannical government. Listen to any Iranian that managed to escape! They want all their government leaders dead, though they may not want to say it out of “decency”
Every time I want to cheer Iran for making outlr government look like the braindead idiots they are I see some shit like this.
We need plucky heroes fighting the Epstein Class and their Zionist puppeteers, damnit, not the Muslim version of MAGAts.
You can support them against imperialism, while still disagreeing with them as an authoritarian state.
Critical support should never mean complete support.
No, Mia. The religion is 100% imperialist. What this only showed is that Iran is still a capitalist nation first, the religious hazing is only a bonus.
You don’t dethrone an empire with another. That’s what campists do.
Support Iran against American imperialism.
I don’t agree with the Iranian state, but I support them defending themselves against the US/Israel.
Metoo, but I don’t support Islam against people. In this very instance, capitalism won. But if Anita Papist didn’t have money, she would have left with more than just US hazing.
You can oppose Trump’s war because it hurts the people of Iran the same way you can oppose the Iranian government because it hurts the people. These are not conflicting stances to make.
Empire don’t discriminate. They attack “bad” countries as well as “good” countries. The simple act of defense against aggression does not automatically make someone the paragon of freedom and justice, despite what some “leftists” like to think. Imperialism is not the only “sin” a country can commit. It’s a bully being attacked by a bigger bully.
No such thing as a bad country. Just bad governments/organizations.
Regular people can be complicit in their government’s actions. Like americans for example.
Or how 75% of Israelis approve of their government and think they should continue the genocide.
I view them as the same as our 33% that will always view Trump favorable regardless of how much self harm that involves.
Which is utterly damning to the concept of Israel. As if their state level actions haven’t already damned them enough.
you jewish conspiracy fundamentalists have some shitty friends
i bet you agree with piker that the copilot knife attack on dubai air was a jewish conspiracy
reality is difficult
Remember, the only reason these religions nut jobs are in power is because the UK and US overthrow Iran’s secular democracy for a pro west dictator. We killed off every left thinking person while secretly training and funding right wing theological factions as a region destabilizing force.
Yep, says right here in chapter 23, thou shalt not forsake thy hijab, unless thou hast money.
See… it’s not an affront to the religion if you pay hard cash.
Pathetic.
In other news, Iran is at war with America and its stooges following a failed coup attempt by America and its stooges.
A fine? Does the religion carve out exceptions in exchange for money, or do they just disregard the religion in exchange for money?
Either way, it might be interesting if she can (SAFELY) keep doing it at every show and the budget can cover the fines as a business expense. Maybe she could help normalize it a bit. (I assume that would be a good thing, but I admit that I’m pretty ignorant on the topic.)
Tbf if you count Zakat, Islam does let you get away with some sin so long as you give money to people in need, tho I don’t think old men running the government are exactly “people in need.”
You think this money will go to “old men running the government”? It goes into the state’s budget like all other revenue. This complaint is like complaining speeding fines will go to old men running the government.
Whether you agree or disagree with these fines, it’s indisputable that iran still has a more functional, less corrupt government than say, Egypt or Saudi or Kuwait or Iraq or any number of regional US allies
It will go towards missiles which can be shot at Israel in this case. A good cause.
She could only pay the fine because she had no prior criminal record - it’s mentioned in the article.
You’re referring to this part, right?
[…] her lack of a prior criminal record made it legally possible to convert the 74 lashes into a cash fine.
Does a criminal record include cash fines in Iran, or does she continue having no criminal record?
If it’s like pretty much anywhere else, the fine simply replaces the lashes in the sentencing phase. The conviction happened long before that and is separate.
Perhaps call it an Indulgence?
Does thereligioncarve out exceptions in exchange formoney.Fixed it for you.
I know it’s stupid, but I’m relieved for the girl. 74 lashes seems a little much. and of course other people have died over this and other “Islamic law”, if she had said “I’m atheist” or “I’m gay” she’d be long dead.
To me, it’s so horrible that I can’t research Iran et al for long without having to tap out
I feel that I’m being manipulated. The headlines about this story used to be “Singer gets punished with 74 lashes for violating some religious law”. Now I find out that you can just avoid the lashes by paying a fine. It’s like saying “man faces prison for going 10km/h over the speed limit” because if you don’t pay a fine, you eventually end up in prison.
And even in this story that reveals that you choose between paying a fine and corporal punishment, I feel manipulated. 100 MILLION troman sounds like a lot, but it turns out it’s just 730 bucks.
How incredibly gross and blatant, this consent manufacturing machine. I guess it doesn’t need to be subtle, people only remember headlines. Damage done, mission successful. Maybe war on Iran is good actually. We’ll get it right this time.
What the fuck what legal system exchanges $10 a lash???
Is that any different than paying bail?
Yes. Bail is just a bond on your own head. The court keeps it if you don’t show up, and you get it back if you do.
100 MILLION troman sounds like a lot, but it turns out it’s just 730 bucks.
Using pure currency conversion, sure.
The average annual income of an urban household was approximately 3.432 billion rials
Sauce. Evidently there’s a factor of 10 difference between these two denominations, so you’re talking about 1/3 of the average household’s income. For Muricans, that’s around $27k.
When you inject religion into your laws, paying fines begins to feel like bribing god. They’re undermining themselves here.
If the world wasn’t watching in disgust, they would have flogged her to death. The fine was the government’s way out without losing face.
So the poors receive lashes I see
She paid a ~642eur fine.
That is an absolutely bonkers alternative to being beaten to death. Like why are those the two options?
She would not have been beaten to death. They split the lashes punishments into as many sessions as needed for the person to survive. So instead of 74 lashes at once (guaranteed death), she’d have to take like 15 lashes 5 times.
Very considerate. I was beginning to think they’re cruel.
It’s ~1.5 times the average monthly salary in Tehran. Comparable sum in NYC would be ~9-10k USD
Compared to potential death, it’s still a small price.
Of course
“Cake or death” was supposed to be humor, not real life.
The state media would paint her paying the fine as an act of submission to the law and the government, as a “proof” that she is a coward who doesn’t stand by her beliefs.
It’s an attempt to discredit the rebels, basically like a Russian practice of forcing troublemakers to record an “apology” video under the barrel of a gun (just outside of frame).
Is 74 lashes likely to cause death?
More like guaranteed.
One of the few benefits of living in the country with the most devaluated coin in the world: the price of fines is generally updated more slowly than inflation and the result is that fines become peanuts
Am I missing something? It said 100 million tomans, which I punched into a currency converter and got 10 USD
I’m assuming it’s a volatile currency, as now that fine sits at ~338euro, but it shouldn’t be 10usd. Someone more knowledgeable/familiar with should confirm this, I just did some google fu.
Well thank fuck. I still of course maintain my firm opposition to the Iranian government for their continued tyranny against women
Gosh, tough choice: pay a few hundred dollars or have basically all of the flesh removed from your back with a whip.
Fuck these stupid ass religions forcing their beliefs on people. Your god is a lie made up by the ruling class to control you and get you to die in their wars.
Ethno states should be abolished. Both Iran and Israel
