I have one account that follows me around to write variations of this comment:
“We know what genocide looks like. It’s inescapable. You can’t have a secret genocide. There would be evidence of genocide if there was genocide. I can’t believe this has to be explained to clowns”
I’m not convinced down votes do much. I know I don’t care a whole lot, personally. They feel like a somewhat toxic holdover from other platforms, a useless form of impersonal disapproval rather than genuine and productive discussion.
Sometimes, I genuinely produce an L take, in which case I’m more concerned about the replies pointing it out.
Sometimes it’s just bad phrasing or misunderstanding, where I also try to figure out what I did wrong by how people respond.
And sometimes I find that I kicked a nest of hornets whose opinions and down votes also mean nothing to me, providing validation at best.
I tend to engage way more than I should, telling myself that someone else might read it and take something away from the arguments being made, but just downvoting is probably even less productive. Hence, if you don’t wanna deal with their cuntery, blocking them is the most useful and healthy solution for your own sanity and enjoyment.
(I should also note that there are people I’ve gotten into arguments and disagreements with on here without blocking them. I don’t want an echo chamber, and if I silence all who disagree, that’s where I’ll end up. That’s tangential to the point, but my personal reason why I use blocking more sparingly.)
Like young people don’t realize that the infamous “this” comment is a relic from the days when the only way to agree/disagree was to put your name out there and reply.
If a forum has a few dozen regulars and a few hundred occasional users, you’ll see some names pop up frequently and build some impression of the user behind it. In my view, that’s a good spot between anonymity (I still don’t know the person behind the name, and I don’t need to) and accountability, because there’s a certain reputation attached to that name. If the name has meaning, standing for something with it does too.
With the internet growing in size, forums growing in population and social media… well, doing what it did, the volume of names exploded. Sockpuppets, alt accounts, bots, huge communities, higher turnover of users all make it harder to attach meaning to individual names. Some random name I don’t know, won’t remember and have no relation to replying “+” doesn’t mean much to me. It’s not much less anonymous than an upvote.
Lemmy is smaller. I have started picking up on names here and there, forming associations. I remember seeing yours before, for instance. Didn’t you also grow up in a charismatic cult?
As Lemmy grows, I imagine keeping track of all the frequent fliers outside smaller communities will get difficult too. Upvotes are just the convenient solution for the problem of a growing user base where using explicit replies to signal approval would lead to a lot of clutter. Easily accessible lists of votes might make that more transparent, but wouldn’t fix the impersonal nature of large platforms and the toxicity that encourages.
And there, ultimately, lies my point: If we’re equipped to handle communities of a few hundred people at most, how do we cope with an internet of millions?
Is it empireindecay and that other account that’s somehow always in the same thread as him at the same time and saying the same things? They even necropost together. It would be so weird if they were actually different people…
does it change the fact that there is no conclusive evidence to claim there is a genocide being carried out in xinjiang?
most of these allegations against the perceived adversaries of west by liberals is just to lighten their guilt or to say be more morally right, far from truth just emotions
You dont have time to produce proof? Or are you so into believing whatever the western chauvinist capitalist imperialist media tells you?
There is unjust prosecution of minorities? sure. Like every other state.
Is there a genocide? no proof whatsoever and never ever compare it with whats going on in palestine, that would be real genocide denial
The Arab League nations also deny Palestinians asylum and barely did anything against the Gaza genocide. Why do you think they are even credible on Xinjiang when they often don’t give a shit about other muslims?
Why do you believe state owned media on a genocide perpetrated by the state? That’s like cops investigating themselves and finding no fault.
Also “western media” is a huge spectrum of sources not limited to one source. When you check places like Grayzone or WSWS they are like “We asked China and they said no.”
And my sources speak of a genocide in Gaza and apartheid by Israel and still don’t deny genocides perpetrated by states you buttkiss because you think they are socialist when they are in fact more capitalist than some western states.
I despise the revisionist CPC so dont do projection here but your hate for China comes from racism and their historical stance against west or pursuing sovereignty, it has nothing to do with who they prosecute. I do not trust most western media, I wont until they are explicitly anti zionist anti rich.
Sure make up shit when you lose an argument. I hate the Chinese government but love some aspects of Chinese culture such as Chinese opera and Fuzhounese cuisine. But for that I can go to Taiwan, Singapore or Penang.
Calling people racist for not trusting government sources on the genocide the very same government is committing just makes you sound like a clown.
Also “anti rich”. China has a capitalist class and billionaires. 🤡
Only state that had a largely worker owned economy and less capitalism was Yugoslavia. Even Republican Catalonia was far closer to socialism than China has ever been.
This guy tricked China into letting him tour the camps, saying he wanted to see if western media was lying, then he came back and says they’re putting people in concentration camps for praying, or being Muslim:
Concentration camps != Extermination camps.
The nazis had both. They also did forced sterilization in those camps. But the latter camps also had gas chambers.
The US interned American Natives / American Indians and Japanese people in concentration camps. At least for the former group, they also carried out forced sterilization, settled and exploited their land, and stole their children away for “re-education”. They did not build gas chambers or any other means of industrial slaughter, but few people would deny that the US committed genocide against the Native population of that continent.
It’s well documented that contraception, sterilization, and possibly abortion, are forced upon the Uyghur people in Xinjiang. Uyghur people but not Han Chinese are being interned in concentration camps in, at the time, the “largest mass incarceration of an ethnic-religious minority since second world war” (Guardian, 2019). Uyghur children are being transfered to boarding schools against the will of their parents and guardians, or because those have been interned for having too many children in the first place. Multiple Chinese government officials have repeatedly affirmed the goal of reducing Uyghur fertility. At a minimum, this constitutes 3 out of the 5 possible criteria for a genocide, each of which alone is sufficient to make that accusation. We have not yet seen mass killing of Uyghurs, but that doesn’t mean there’s no genocide. As has been said in this discussion: “We know what genocide looks like.” Exactly: It commonly looks quite like this.
Goal of reducing fertility isnt inherently wrong if it is done through education and awareness, I also support anti religious campaign through those methods.
Tankies:
All genocides are bad! Don’t vote democrats!
Everyone else:
Yeah we hate the genocides in Palestine, Ukraine and of the Uyghurs in China.
Tankies:
Where is your proof that Ukraine and Uyghurs are being genocided?
I have one account that follows me around to write variations of this comment:
“We know what genocide looks like. It’s inescapable. You can’t have a secret genocide. There would be evidence of genocide if there was genocide. I can’t believe this has to be explained to clowns”
And that’s all their post history is.
Oh wow. I looked into that and found like 4 .ml accounts to block. Thank you.
I always have mixed feelings. Like, is it my duty towards a healthy forum to downvote this guy, and therefore I shouldn’t block him?
I don’t have the energy though. I usually end up blocking people like that.
I’m not convinced down votes do much. I know I don’t care a whole lot, personally. They feel like a somewhat toxic holdover from other platforms, a useless form of impersonal disapproval rather than genuine and productive discussion.
Sometimes, I genuinely produce an L take, in which case I’m more concerned about the replies pointing it out.
Sometimes it’s just bad phrasing or misunderstanding, where I also try to figure out what I did wrong by how people respond.
And sometimes I find that I kicked a nest of hornets whose opinions and down votes also mean nothing to me, providing validation at best.
I tend to engage way more than I should, telling myself that someone else might read it and take something away from the arguments being made, but just downvoting is probably even less productive. Hence, if you don’t wanna deal with their cuntery, blocking them is the most useful and healthy solution for your own sanity and enjoyment.
(I should also note that there are people I’ve gotten into arguments and disagreements with on here without blocking them. I don’t want an echo chamber, and if I silence all who disagree, that’s where I’ll end up. That’s tangential to the point, but my personal reason why I use blocking more sparingly.)
Vote scores made internet forums worse. I’ll die on that hill.
I’d upvote that, but it feels hypocritical ;-)
(Honestly though, I’ll stand with you.)
You replied so I think you’re clear.
Like young people don’t realize that the infamous “this” comment is a relic from the days when the only way to agree/disagree was to put your name out there and reply.
It’s also a size thing, I think.
If a forum has a few dozen regulars and a few hundred occasional users, you’ll see some names pop up frequently and build some impression of the user behind it. In my view, that’s a good spot between anonymity (I still don’t know the person behind the name, and I don’t need to) and accountability, because there’s a certain reputation attached to that name. If the name has meaning, standing for something with it does too.
With the internet growing in size, forums growing in population and social media… well, doing what it did, the volume of names exploded. Sockpuppets, alt accounts, bots, huge communities, higher turnover of users all make it harder to attach meaning to individual names. Some random name I don’t know, won’t remember and have no relation to replying “+” doesn’t mean much to me. It’s not much less anonymous than an upvote.
Lemmy is smaller. I have started picking up on names here and there, forming associations. I remember seeing yours before, for instance. Didn’t you also grow up in a charismatic cult?
As Lemmy grows, I imagine keeping track of all the frequent fliers outside smaller communities will get difficult too. Upvotes are just the convenient solution for the problem of a growing user base where using explicit replies to signal approval would lead to a lot of clutter. Easily accessible lists of votes might make that more transparent, but wouldn’t fix the impersonal nature of large platforms and the toxicity that encourages.
And there, ultimately, lies my point: If we’re equipped to handle communities of a few hundred people at most, how do we cope with an internet of millions?
I want to take your side, but that name is going to be burned into my mind for all time
SatansMaggotyCumFart is a relatively well known frequent of lemmy. I’d personally trust them at their word for this particular case.
It gets easier if you just think of the name as SMCF
Is it empireindecay and that other account that’s somehow always in the same thread as him at the same time and saying the same things? They even necropost together. It would be so weird if they were actually different people…
does it change the fact that there is no conclusive evidence to claim there is a genocide being carried out in xinjiang?
most of these allegations against the perceived adversaries of west by liberals is just to lighten their guilt or to say be more morally right, far from truth just emotions
I don’t have time to argue with genocide denialists.
You dont have time to produce proof? Or are you so into believing whatever the western chauvinist capitalist imperialist media tells you?
There is unjust prosecution of minorities? sure. Like every other state. Is there a genocide? no proof whatsoever and never ever compare it with whats going on in palestine, that would be real genocide denial
The Arab League nations also deny Palestinians asylum and barely did anything against the Gaza genocide. Why do you think they are even credible on Xinjiang when they often don’t give a shit about other muslims?
why do you think western sources on China are credible when they either openly support israel or are silent on it?
Why do you believe state owned media on a genocide perpetrated by the state? That’s like cops investigating themselves and finding no fault.
Also “western media” is a huge spectrum of sources not limited to one source. When you check places like Grayzone or WSWS they are like “We asked China and they said no.”
And my sources speak of a genocide in Gaza and apartheid by Israel and still don’t deny genocides perpetrated by states you buttkiss because you think they are socialist when they are in fact more capitalist than some western states.
I despise the revisionist CPC so dont do projection here but your hate for China comes from racism and their historical stance against west or pursuing sovereignty, it has nothing to do with who they prosecute. I do not trust most western media, I wont until they are explicitly anti zionist anti rich.
Sure make up shit when you lose an argument. I hate the Chinese government but love some aspects of Chinese culture such as Chinese opera and Fuzhounese cuisine. But for that I can go to Taiwan, Singapore or Penang.
Calling people racist for not trusting government sources on the genocide the very same government is committing just makes you sound like a clown.
Also “anti rich”. China has a capitalist class and billionaires. 🤡
Only state that had a largely worker owned economy and less capitalism was Yugoslavia. Even Republican Catalonia was far closer to socialism than China has ever been.
I have a better time smashing my face into a brick wall and in the end the brick wall has a better chance of changing their minds.
Peace out genocide denialist!
peace out chauvinist. free palestine fuck israel
Fuck Israel indeed.
Fuck Russia and China for being no better too.
“Russia and China are no better than Israel” yeah this is a zionist take
Last time I checked Russia was an ally of Israel and China had normal relations with Israel
This guy tricked China into letting him tour the camps, saying he wanted to see if western media was lying, then he came back and says they’re putting people in concentration camps for praying, or being Muslim:
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.5369163
Other states aren’t doing this, don’t normalize this please.
“tricked” the fucking CPC? lol.
you are doing holocaust denial by calling them concentration camps without any empirical evidence
Concentration camps != Extermination camps. The nazis had both. They also did forced sterilization in those camps. But the latter camps also had gas chambers.
The US interned American Natives / American Indians and Japanese people in concentration camps. At least for the former group, they also carried out forced sterilization, settled and exploited their land, and stole their children away for “re-education”. They did not build gas chambers or any other means of industrial slaughter, but few people would deny that the US committed genocide against the Native population of that continent.
It’s well documented that contraception, sterilization, and possibly abortion, are forced upon the Uyghur people in Xinjiang. Uyghur people but not Han Chinese are being interned in concentration camps in, at the time, the “largest mass incarceration of an ethnic-religious minority since second world war” (Guardian, 2019). Uyghur children are being transfered to boarding schools against the will of their parents and guardians, or because those have been interned for having too many children in the first place. Multiple Chinese government officials have repeatedly affirmed the goal of reducing Uyghur fertility. At a minimum, this constitutes 3 out of the 5 possible criteria for a genocide, each of which alone is sufficient to make that accusation. We have not yet seen mass killing of Uyghurs, but that doesn’t mean there’s no genocide. As has been said in this discussion: “We know what genocide looks like.” Exactly: It commonly looks quite like this.
Sources:
lol.
ok.
ok.
Goal of reducing fertility isnt inherently wrong if it is done through education and awareness, I also support anti religious campaign through those methods.
Dude fucking lays it out for you and you still can’t fucking see it. Jesus fucking christ, shake your head a bit.
There’s 700+ sources cited in the Amnesty International report, good luck discrediting every single one of them:
https://www.amnesty.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Amnesty-International_China-Report_FINAL.pdf
Well yes, he appears to have successfully tricked the CPC.