Right wing youtubers told me he shocks his dog, so I’m gonna go ahead and believe that. You’d have to be really gullible not to believe whatever Asmongold or Ethan Klein tell you. I mean, what do they have to gain in this?
It wasn’t just right wing YouTubers who made these claims. Seems kind of dismissive
That’s true, it was blue checkmark #freeTheHostages twitter accounts as well.
Its a mystery
Commenting so there might be a top level comment with positive upvotes
But Karma farming does not exist here
Yus, but ^1 is still positive. I did also say ‘might’ because I know someone will probably downvote that just to be funny
Dafuq people be defending a guy who forces his dog to sit on hours in one place and then shocks it when dog wants to strech it’s bones.
Fuck Elon and the Hasan ban is unfair. But seeing people saying that shock collar is a ruse - that is an incredible mental gymnastics to achieve. Props to yall ig.
Yeah no idea why on Lemmy how no one can criticize him. He very clearly abused his dog and whenever I ask people why they’re downvoting they never provide any valid reason why they don’t think it was animal abuse. I used to like him— now I can’t.
This is the dumbest imagined controversy.
Maybe he genuinely thought the collar used vibration instead of electricity. In any case it is really not that big of a controversy. The dog seems fairly happy.
Hassan believes in nothing but clicks and views. He’s a sociopath. Fuck him and the rest of the political streamers.
Fuck Elon, too, though. They both suck ass.
Edit: He did shock his dog and I’m laughing at the number of people trying to defend or deny it.
Also Israel sucks too.
Bring on the down votes. Hassan sucks.
Just because he’s saying things that are true doesn’t make him suck less.
Hey look another dumbass on the internet.
Your country sucks
We know
It’s fucking crazy how well the “shocked dog”bullshit has stuck.
Explain this then pal… bet you can’t
Responsible dog owners remember to switch off their tesla coils.
This is an excellent point that I had not previously considered.
Do not believe your own eyes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cL__lbQL6g
My eyes are telling me this is bullshit because they work, get yours checked
Must be a walkie talkie randomly placed on his streaming setup, and the dog reacted like it got shocked, and the dog just likes being in one spot for 10 hours a day and does the droopy ears like it was punished. Every sign points to it but you have to consider, hasan said he didn’t do it.
The dog is out of “it’s spot” for 90% of stream.
But you have to consider. Some loser said it was a shock collar. Because it was red.
They have vibration & audio alert training collars for dogs, using mechanically identical remotes, and this has been mentioned repeatedly in every single discussion of these accusations that I’ve encountered so far. Try harder halfwit
If you look at it frame-by-frame, you can see the dog is kicking the bed. I had dogs accidentally kicking the stair, they also reacted like that.
Now please tell me about how other fascist misinformation campaigns are right too! Tell me that gamergate wasn’t an astroturfed movement by Stormfront and Steve Bannon to make white people flinch at minorities, but a real consumer revolt! Tell me that the Holocaust never happened and that the Jews drank the blood of German aryan children and gave predatory loans to the average German citizen to push them into “debt slavery”!
My friend’s dog was traumatised because his wife opened a moisturiser tube too loudly. Watch any dog for any extended period of time and then armchair diagnose its trauma.
It’s disappointing how well the “question my personal behavior, question the cause” narrative has taken root. Piker is human. He can have some great points, good intentions, and the charisma to become a voice in the moment. It doesn’t make him inviolable. He has his flaws, shortcomings, and blindspots like all of us. He treats his dog like property and a set piece. Want to make him a better candidate for leadership of the cause? Demand that he do better and remind him that just because he’s on the right track most of the time he’s not above reproach. If you just want a leftist version of Trump whose shortcomings we ignore because they get done what we want done; fuck you.
The tactic of “They go low, we go high!” is suicidal.
We had to drop demands for stronger secularism, both to court moderate christians into the left and in the hopes of an actual leftist Obama appearing. All it ended up with is that any time christian fundamentalists won more and more power, the loudest answer was “they’re not real christians, real christians don’t force anything onto other people, instead they’re ought to love their atheist neighbors, their Muslim neighbors…”.
Now we are ought to “kill our idols”, who sometimes are smaller creators (cough cough cancel culture), sometimes bigger ones, and we were ought to show our moral superiority to Asmongold (or whatever grifter is the hottest currently) fans by backstabbing ours after the slightest rumors. Humans are social animals, not “individualist thinkers” that are able to come to conclusions on their own. Annoying leftist creators are kind of necessary.
We are rushing into a gunfight with no guns, not even knives, but nothing besides a smug feeling of moral superiority. We as well next should go back to the forest, or at least live on a “self-sustaining farm”.
It’s not suicidal, it’s self-awareness that we are facing an enemy that is more than willing and is currently eradicating us and will not stop doing so until we respond with the same force. Purity tests for leadership result in never finding a candidate because everyone is human, everyone has shortcomings; you take the best ally you can get. But you don’t have to compromise or accept their flaws as ongoing or excuse them from working on them during the process. Judge people’s quality of character on how they respond to criticism of their previous actions and whether they reflect on their behavior, acknowledge it might have been a poor choice, and amend their way, don’t just double down and deflect and defend because you like them most of the time. If a up-and-coming leader can be forgiven transgressions by their supporters when they’re a nobody they’re building a base that will forgive their worse transgressions later when they’re somebody and have the power. Demand that your leaders forever remain accountable to the critique of the people they claim to represent or you’re just propping up a left-wing populist as a reaction to the right.
His dog lives a better life than most humans do and is well loved and taken care of. Source: Every single person who knows her in real life and interacts with them. Hell you can see it from their interactions on stream but you wouldn’t know that since you don’t watch clearly.
His dog lives a better life than most humans do and is well loved and taken care of.
The experience of life, for humans and animals, is more than just being “taken care of”. Your measure of “love” still treats a dog like an object and measures the quality of the human-canine relationship in terms of hierarchy; I give you X, therefore I expect you to give me Y. Gross, both of you.
You clearly don’t know what you are talking about. Kaya has a great life and is not treated like an object simply because her bed is on stream. News flash if your dog likes you they will actually choose to be around you even when you are just doing boring stuff and sitting at a desk and especially when they understand their routines and know they have a dog walk at a specific time each day and have already done other enrichment activities. Hasan/Kaya’s schedule isn’t unknown if you watched a few streams you would know it, but again you clearly don’t watch. They can simply relax because they know they have times of the day they will get to run around and get their energy out. Kaya is well trained too, which clearly shows a bond between Hasan and her and its extremely common to use treats during training.
A dog is like a child, it has no legal rights to its self and lacks the ability to withdraw from an abusive situation and seek a better environment or companion. It just makes do with what is offered even if its base needs (food/shelter/water) are met. Of course it will “love” whoever provides that because that’s all they have, and they’ll suffer the less savory parts in between because, again, that’s all they have.
Do you really think that so long as basic needs are met, training/conditioning another living being to fit your schedule and harsh rebukes when inconvenienced by their expression of independent mind are acceptable?
You speak like you have the luxury. This was years ago and the collapse of your country is imminent. Do you really want to start burning a leader at the stake with some flaws in favor of a gang of criminals? This is precisely why you’re in this predicament. Look around you. Do better yourself. You have little choice but compromise at the moment. Burn him at the stake later when you’re not actively dying as a country. So goddamn unbelievable and insufferable.
I do have the luxury. If we’re doing this we’re all in, and while I’ll take any ally I can get, I’m going to continue to fight for the rights of non-human life until my last breath and not just seek to replace a right-wing populist with a left-wing one just because he’s on my team. If you’re willing to compromise your personal morality because your favorite dude has compromised theirs instead of saying “hey, I’m with you 90% of the time but here’s where your slipping; do better”; shit.
Nah, this is the same shit y’all did last time with Harris. You wouldn’t vote for a genocide apologist, so you’d rather have a pedophile, genocide accomplice and sociopath. Incredibly myopic.
Nah. I’d burn through every last one of you for whatever you have to offer that aligns with my goals, and take the wins over my enemies where I can get them. If that win means my enemy is destroyed and I have to fight you on the other side, we’ll deal with that when we get there. If the fight results in both of you destroying one another; fuck yeah, the path forward has been cleared.
The dog is fine, get a job
Nah. I refuse to buy into the system. Eat shit and die, capitalist.
Labor is not exclusive to capitalism dumbass
That your default insult is “get a job” is telling. You want my labor value but you don’t want my free will. What you’d like is for me to be so invested in expending my labor elsewhere I don’t have the time or energy to question and confront you and your values. Not gonna happen.
You can go get that job now
I dunno, I agree with a lot of things he says but I watched that video with the dog and it looks pretty clear to me that he did have a shock collar on the dog.
He may not have actually pressed it on screen, but he moved his hand to it and the dog knew exactly what that meant and you could see it in the reaction.
The fact he seemingly wants to force an animal to sit in the corner like an ornament for his stream in the first place is also particularly problematic.
That all being said, I don’t think he should be banned from the UK and Elon should be banned and his businesses banned.
So he uses a training collar to train his dog to behave while he’s busy? The horror.
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not my fault.
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
- the Narcissist Prayer, written by Dayna Craig
Welcome to step 3, ye flying monkeys.
I don’t give a fuck about whoever this chud is, but training collars are a thing and that’s how you use em, to correct behavior. Also because it seems to piss all y’all off, free Palestine.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
There’s many reasons to dislike Hasan (not Hassan), but the shock collar myth ain’t among them. And if you push myths, you’re pushing facts away.
See Vaush, another leftist streamer. People want to paint him as a pedophile for supposedly consuming “CSAM” (which pretty well could have been The End of Evangelion, except tankies and SWERFs see it as such and want to execute all remaining creators of that movie) and having certain kinds of drawings in his leaked folder a warmonger claimed to be “real CSAM”. All while no one cares about him harassing women in the past.
Is that the point though? Isn’t the point that he has done far less to endanger the UK population than Elon, and yet he is banned and Elon isn’t? Surely that’s worth discussing?
Nobody who stood with Palestinians at the start of the genocide only believes in clicks and views.
You’re losing and you know it
You are the hasbara
I don’t even know what that means.
Clearly
Embarassing if true, probably a lie tho
I would evaluate if you have reasonable beliefs here. Like do you have enough information to accurately describe someone as a sociopath? To claim what they “only care about”…?
In this case I doubt you do, so it’s then strange to be so virulent and adamant.
I’d never heard of him until I listened to him on the Trevor Noah podcast. He sounded normal enough there, granted, that’s just a tiny slice of info.
That and he mostly talked about everything the Dem party was doing wrong.
If I had to guess, because he’s anti Israel, and both our countries are keenly invested in no one having a negative opinion of anything done by Israel. Ever.
What’s he done?
He’s a bit of a tankie-lite talking piece, but iirc he went on a boat to deliver aid to Cuba so he’s done some good.
The UK is only banning him because he’s anti-Zionist tho.
Cuba is a “tankie” state and the most principled groups in support of it against the genocidal American blockade are “tankies”. You are advancing US imperialism by chatting nonsense about so-called tankies, doing the hard work of the red scare for your supposed enemies.
He’s also a bit of a show boater, showing up to protests and getting all the attention because of his star power.
I’d also say he tends to soften his critiques in person, where he might get something right, he’ll not stick to his guns when confronted.
None of if that makes him wrong per se. But the people who have eaten the anti-hasan hasbara… well they are indeed a special breed of hog
Or rather, he’s bringing attention to the protests using his star power that they wouldn’t otherwise get from mainstream media.
Also, didn’t most or all of the socialist-leaning anti-Zionist candidates he campaigned with win their primaries?
If you have a platform, use it. Dude’s meeting people where they are, not sure how that’s for “clout” now that real change is being made. Why do you think Fox News is constantly up his ass now?
Yeah I fully agree, and I don’t agree with the critics. I’m just giving voice to concerns I’ve heard levied from people who make organizing protests and streaming protests what they do. Hasan shows up and suddenly it’s about them not what they were protesting. And Hasan has acknowledged this and been explicit about not wanting to do that, but it’s an unfortunate artifact that comes from their star power. So they don’t do it very often.
suddenly it’s about them not what they were protesting.
That’s only how it is being framed by his critics and their fans, who still think there’s something in trying to scrutinize the dog collar.
Every case that I have seen of Hasan, be it showing up at rallies, supporting a candidate, or joining the convoy: his presence is welcomed, seen as valuable and benedicial to the protest, politician, or cause.
Only time I can think where his presence was treated as a liability was the 2024 DNC.
Every case that I have seen of Hasan, be it showing up at rallies, supporting a candidate, or joining the convoy: his presence is welcomed, seen as valuable and benedicial to the protest, politician, or cause.
I mean 99/100 times yes. The one exception I can note was when they went down to the street at the LA protests. And like, there were already plenty of protest streamers there, which is like, thats what they do. And yeah, like, all of a sudden all the protesters were like “Oh holy shit its Hasan!” And wanted autographs etc… which like, is legitimately distracting from a protest. And so some other live streamers did make comment on their streams (like Merc, a few others who do that kind of streaming. THey make a point to not make it about themselves.
Called out Israeli spying and interfering with American politics through AIPAC and dark money. Israel was also found to be spying on the president and his administration - why would such a close ally spy on their friends? Because they aren’t friends. Israel is invading America.
Israel is not invading America lol. The president isn’t the boss of America, the oligarchs are, and they’re perfectly fine with their friends spying on the government for them.
He may or may not have used a shock collar on his dog while livestreaming. I didn’t care about him enough to follow the story to its conclusion, but some people identified the collar as a shock collar while he claimed he removed the metal probes.
He did not shock his dog, but there is a clip where he reaches off screen and then the dog, who was moving at the time, yelps.
Circumstantial evidence at best, but of course the haters RAN with it. No one wants the anti-gambling, anti-zionist, anti-capitalist streamer to be popular. It’s incredible the bullshit they spread about this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cL__lbQL6g
The dog also does exactly what a punished dog does, droopy ears and moving slowly to the spot they think you want them at, and the dog sitting in 1 spot for 10 hours a day. Granted I haven’t had or seen every dog breed in existance, but I have never seen a dog do any of the things in the video without being shocked yelled at hit or scolded.
Fnords.
This has always been baseless conjecture and was promoted by Israeli media.
The only people who believe it are hogs.
He extremely obviously didn’t
I said “may or may not” and yall clarified the outcome of the allegations. Most people here said it was right-wing pundits being inflammatory shitheads, so good‐-the dog wasn’t hurt.
Edit: He did shock his dog and I’m laughing at the number of people trying to defend or deny it.
100% exact same people who defend corporations and politicians. Brains completely ground from all the propaganda. Sad to see.
Delusional
